nekrohsis Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 So I'm reading Richard II right now for a class and one of the key events in the play is when King Richard confiscated the inheritance of his cousin, Bolingbroke, in order to fund a war with Ireland. The nobles are threatened and fear that Richard might do the same to their own heirs. They join Bolingbroke in a successful uprising. We see a similar scenario with Cersei in AFFC. Gyles Rosby wills his estate to his ward, but Cersei confiscates it to pay for the war effort. Rosby is a minor estate, but the action of confiscating it poses a threat to any lord who wants to make sure his estate passes to his heirs. In short, it strikes at the very root of primogeniture. My question--will this action have unknown consequences besides alienating Rosby? Will lords see Cersei as a threat to the status quo and seek her removal for this reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Hi,All this could work, but Cersei is already removed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 The best subject title I've seen in ages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 This is new! And if the storyline weren't so cramped already, I'd like to see it happen. Also Cersei'd be divine as Richard II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I imagine Cersei would suffer for her property grab, but I guess you could say the Faith got first dibs (and probably the only dibs) on punishing Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Hi,All this could work, but Cersei is already removed! Cersei will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Fantastic Catch. Somehow this always seems to be left off the list of Cersei's Comedy Of Errors in AFFC (appointing Aurane Waters because he looks like Rhaegar, alienating Kevan, rearming The Faith Militant, Telling The Iron Bank To Piss Off, etc.) but in terms of its potential implications it totally belongs. It has to take a number and get in line as far as the "come back to bite Cersei in the ass" distinction goes, of course, but it definitely belongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hempen Dan the Ropemaker Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Had to double check this, but it is brought up in Dance that there are many claims put forth to Rosby. Hard to say how it will get resolved, but the slow background simmer of Rosby mentions makes me think it will come into play somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Had to double check this, but it is brought up in Dance that there are many claims put forth to Rosby. Hard to say how it will get resolved, but the slow background simmer of Rosby mentions makes me think it will come into play somehow. Particularly since what little tastes we get of House Rosby tends to paint them as "good" guys. A Rosby was part of the last "good" Kingsguard lineup, the so-called "Rosby Freys" are the more honorable branch of the Frey family (and usually make the "do not genocide" list of the more vengeance-minded fans on this forum :D), and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Cersei told Pycelle to draw up the paperwork so she could seize Rosbys gold and use it to refill the coffers of the crown. She planned to give the actual Lordship and lands to Waters. So there are two aspects to the inheritance, gold and land. Rosby is a valuable seat because of its proximity to the city, it has a good market for its agricultural surplus. If Cersei was smart she could take the gold but trying to give the seat to one of her favorites as well probaly would have gone to far. Pycelle never did carry out her orders regarding Rosby. He mentioned six outstanding claims to the estate in Kevans epilouge chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Normally such confiscations are a sort of punishment for disloyalty, or choosing the wrong side. Doing it to a house that has done nothing against you is indeed a bad precedent. Cersei told Pycelle to draw up the paperwork so she could seize Rosbys gold and use it to refill the coffers of the crown. She planned to give the actual Lordship and lands to Waters. So there are two aspects to the inheritance, gold and land. Rosby is a valuable seat because of its proximity to the city, it has a good market for its agricultural surplus. If Cersei was smart she could take the gold but trying to give the seat to one of her favorites as well probaly would have gone to far. Pycelle never did carry out her orders regarding Rosby. He mentioned six outstanding claims to the estate in Kevans epilouge chapter. One of those may be Bronn (via his wife's family). Bad news for Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand old duke of stark Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 The middle ages and early Renaissance in England saw a lot of questionable apprpriations of property. Even the greatest nobles would lose their estates if involved in treasonous activities. And once the Reformation occurred, English sovereigns had plenty of pretexts to seize property from adherents of the 'wrong' religion. Henry VIII is notorious for making money from the dissolution of the monasteries and convents and some churches and then selling them. So I think the Cersei action WRT Rosby property is very reflective of royal activitiy. It's not that shocking, considering the history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 The middle ages and early Renaissance in England saw a lot of questionable apprpriations of property. Even the greatest nobles would lose their estates if involved in treasonous activities. And once the Reformation occurred, English sovereigns had plenty of pretexts to seize property from adherents of the 'wrong' religion. Henry VIII is notorious for making money from the dissolution of the monasteries and convents and some churches and then selling them. So I think the Cersei action WRT Rosby property is very reflective of royal activitiy. It's not that shocking, considering the history. Rosby wasn't involved in treason or even accused of treason; in fact, he was Cersei's handpicked master of coin and was only replaced because he died -- she never actually condemns him or accuses him of doing anything wrong (apart from dying). Cersei took his land without even the pretext of accusing him of some kind of wrongdoing -- I can totally see other loyal nobles starting to wonder if anyone is really safe in Lannister hands, especially since I can't think of any example of this happening in the books. Even Mad King Aerys gave a reason for taking away Connington's lands and titles, and even then he gave them to one of Connington's cousins rather than escheating them directly for the Crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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