the Other Wolf

@John Suburbs ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NOTHING!

@John Suburbs And when my brother shot and paralyzed someone, even though we had shitty a childhood, I STILL BLAME HIM!

Nope, she is evil. I think what we know of her, she would most definitely not have done nothing. I was made to sexually abuse a 6 year old girl when I was 6. I was beat by my parents. We were on food stamps. My dad is a drunk. I went to 7 elementary schools..... yet I have never been arrested and I do not do anything in my adult life to hurt anyone else. My kids are not spanked. I walk away from fights. Nice try though. People choose who they want to be. I am 42 now btw.

Oh, I didn't know if you were stressed it is okay. In that case... No, you let her be and have all the girls that willing want to have sex with you. You do realize that you are defending a rapist right? Even if true, there are lots of things that happened in the past, like slavery, and I condemn slave holding characters as well. Agreed! Oh the poor poor criminals, murderers and rapists in the world. I disagree, lots of families have someone that is not a good person even though they grew up in the same situation and environment. 100% correct. Yup. Agreed! Absolutely!

If only they could comprehend this.

Isn't Jon her kid? If I was a betting man I would say yes, but it has not been written anywhere yet and this is the book forum not the show and book forum.

He did, but he wasn't going to the Rock he was going to KL, the capital of his BFFs kingdom. Then his naive arse started trusting people and got in way over his head because he did not even know there was a Game of Thrones, let alone how to play it.

Exactly This!

See comment above. Where is that written? You do realize that in every civil war families end up on opposite sides for what they believe. Do you really think it doesn't bother them knowing their side is killing their family on the other side. There are a lot of stories during he U.S. revolutionary war where families fought against each other and how it tore them up but they felt they were still doing the right thing.

I am sure she did, who wouldn't? Where is that written? The events that led up to the assassination are significantly more complicated, but most scholars agree that the gradual emergence of a group of alliances between major powers was partly to blame for the descent into the war. In other words, war was coming regardless. Just like our story. After all, the tourney was set up to be a meeting about Rhagar overthrowing his dad, because he could read the tea leaves and knew the others lords were getting tired of his crazy mad dad. So, war was already on the horizon. A catalyst is different than the true root of a cause. Most people do love their favorite sibling more than a best friend. And how does your interpretation of his love make it her fault exactly? My point was she could still run away and if Brandon didn't act like a hot head and get him and his father burned alive then maybe there would be no war. Then with the mad king doing that and then asking for the heads of two great houses....but I know you will not see it this way.

How is a young teenage girl responsible over the Mad King? Or more than Brandon who rode to the RK and called out the prince in front of all of KL?

@un_Autre_monde Thank you for bringing it back to the OP!

So, all your hatred comes from the first chapter published nearly a QUARTER of a CENTURY ago? It seems you like to use the beheading of the NW deserter, sentence correctly, by the rightful ruler as some kind of gotcha, but I hate to inform you but most feel that chapter fits perfectly in universe (that is not to stay you have to like or support that kind of governmental system, it's a book). I really do not comprehend how someone can be invested in something they have such destain for. Especially when it goes beyond HATING one of the main families but includes the author himself for some kind of conspiracy when he hasn't even finished his story. GRRM is under NO such obligation. Agreed!

What's silly is you hijacking another thread to Stark bash. Can you find one post (out of the millions) on this forum where you can refer to anyone calling any other house, but not the Starks, silly for referring to themselves as there house mascot? You are very good at ignoring points others make and then just creating new tin men to argue against. EVERYONE knows you hate the Starks and GRRM for making them a major part of the story. So again I ask, why even read the books?

I think it is pretty clear he was executed for desertion. In regards to remembrance, if the north truly remembered Ned would have maybe interrogated him to find out more, but in the end he still abandoned his post by deserting and would still have lost his head for it.