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  1. Understandable. I have to get back to work (coffee break over ), but if you decide to start a thread about Shade trees, tag me. Better there than off topic here
  2. Oh totally. GRRM is having all sorts of fun between Old Nan and we readers. I love it!
  3. Correct. Further more, the only time we hear of giants doing anything amoral (?) is when we hear of the one in Volantis... a fire ridden element city. Old Nan, gods love her, is biased.
  4. Shade trees are their own "thing", own species or whatever you want to call it. They are corrupted in the sense that they are put in the path of the fire elements such as Dany and Euron, but of those two, only Dany can beet them (which is another reason of many we know Euron will fail masterfully and hilariously). Dany's HotU experience also tried to teach her various wisdom and and speech. She refused because she is being set up as such for the final ending. A major difference between the trees is one acts a "library", the Acedemy of Human Knowledge if you know what I mean, so any consuming is to benefit all in the end (history lessons to grow from). The Shade trees consume, as fire does, to benefit the self. Look at all the times in-story where readers are told and shown that fire is a "greedy god". .it "consumes" and feeds the self. So many readers "fall" for the seeming trope GRRM is using here and assume that all of *this* is the same in ASOIAF when it is not. A main, MAIN, ideological conundrum GRRM gives his characters (& readers) is the all important decision of self choice, to think for yourself... to NOT follow the greeshka because it consumes to feed it's own self needs. UPDATING TO ADD QUOTE of Dany and her genetic memory: A Game of Thrones - Daenerys VI "No. He cannot have my son." She would not weep, she decided. She would not shiver with fear. The Usurper has woken the dragon now, she told herself … and her eyes went to the dragon's eggs resting in their nest of dark velvet. The shifting lamplight limned their stony scales, and shimmering motes of jade and scarlet and gold swam in the air around them, like courtiers around a king. Was it madness that seized her then, born of fear? Or some strange wisdom buried in her blood? Dany could not have said. She heard her own voice saying, "Ser Jorah, light the brazier." "Khaleesi?" The knight looked at her strangely. "It is so hot. Are you certain?" I can see what you mean (I think). Again, self choice. There are no "gods" in ASOIAF that re going to walk on page, just what a character thinks of themself at the time. Humans created the religion. There is, however, a "fifth element" universal (whatever you want to call it) that a person of an extreme tendency can use for there own means... if they have a propensity for it. For instance, Dany learns the secrets to fire birthing dragons by watching MMD this whole time, then she says to herself that her knowledge is "buried in her blood". GRRM has said Dany and Bran are the two most magical in the series and we can see them growing and learning side by side, but it's what they do with their knowledge and wisdom that will endure in the end. So yeah, there is a moral element to it, but it is within the user not the object.
  5. Hard disagree that BR looks like anything to do with Qarth aside from GRRM playing with red herrings. There is life in a weirwood unlike the desiccated undying ones. Bran was always interested in "scary kid stories" and Old Nan (an undying one) loved to tell him these stories to give him chills. The point to Bran being introduced (as it is for readers) to the scary stories (as he was introduced to being the leader of Winterfell at a young age) is to prepare for the near future of events that are about to happen in TWOW and beyond. FIre is the Greeshka, almost word for word when you compare the stories line by line. Literally. All of those ruby jewlery bits are like the small greeshka that eventually join to the larger mother. Adding: and this even includes bells being run that are connected to the blood-fire-death-greeshka elements in both stories. Line by line Greeshka are fire-elementals. For those reading this forum post that do not know what GRRM's greeshka are... here ya go... https://fattestleechoficeandfire.com/a-song-for-lya-transcribed/
  6. Something else that struck me a while back is Dalla's name is possibly derived from the Swedish Dala horse, and we know GRRM as said he studied Sweden's history, especially it's wars. GRRM has his running theme of fire-elementals burning the green/horse-elementals (Ramsay w/ Theon, Rhaegar w/Lyanna, etc) and Dalla being "burned/consumed" while giving birth at the wall while Stannis & Mel invaded is interesting, especially since GRRM said what Mel was doing there when the birthing was happening meant something else was "going on". "According to the legend, soldiers loyal to King Charles XII were quartered in the Dalecarlian region and carved the toys as gifts for their hosts."
  7. GRRM has been writing and publishing stories for more years than many current readers have been alive. He has at least 72 stories out there published (fully outside of anything ASOIAF related) and a very common theme running through his stories is the zealotry of religion. Religion he doesn't have an "issue" with, but rather the zealous practice of such beliefs and how it "consumes" those who are overtaken with it. It is part of HIS history. Melisandre is what is known in Martinworld as a "meathouse girl". She is powered by the far right red/fire side.
  8. I think this sounds familiar, but I am questioning myself and wondering if this is something Sansa does for Dontos at Joffery's name day? Basically Sansa saving Dontos at the time.
  9. Is this the only mention of Daenerys getting or using/wearing this feathered cloak? I searched a bit more but there's always that chance my search terms are off. Thanks A Game of Thrones - Daenerys VI Dany smiled shyly. It was sweet to laugh. She felt half a girl again. They wandered for half the morning. She saw a beautiful feathered cloak from the Summer Isles, and took it for a gift. In return, she gave the merchant a silver medallion from her belt. That was how it was done among the Dothraki. A birdseller taught a green-and-red parrot to say her name, and Dany laughed again, yet still refused to take him. What would she do with a green-and-red parrot in a khalasar? She did take a dozen flasks of scented oils, the perfumes of her childhood; she had only to close her eyes and sniff them and she could see the big house with the red door once more. When Doreah looked longingly at a fertility charm at a magician's booth, Dany took that too and gave it to the handmaid, thinking that now she should find something for Irri and Jhiqui as well.
  10. Quick question for anyone who follows book to show Plotzee! The world famous game of chopping up the books, scrambling them in a blender, then rearranging the pieces to create something... more brokener What do you think are the chances that the letter Jon wrote in AFFC/ADWD to Cersei in King's Landing asking for help with the common foe (the Others), that was then discussed by Cersei in her AFFC 4 chapter where she ignores his pleas and instead conspires to kill him was remade into the wight hunt idea? Is it possible this was a D&D Plotzee! rework for that 'wight in a box", err, event? I was just discussing this scene elsewhere on the forum when this possibility inhabited my brain. I am kind of thinking it is a "rework" and that it adds to the mounting list of reasons we won't see a wight hunt in the books. A Feast for Crows - Cersei IV Cersei gave him a sharp look. "What are you saying?" "This," Qyburn said. "For years now, the Night's Watch has begged for men. Lord Stannis has answered their plea. Can King Tommen do less? His Grace should send the Wall a hundred men. To take the black, ostensibly, but in truth . . ." ". . . to remove Jon Snow from the command," Cersei finished, delighted. I knew I was right to want him on my council. "That is just what we shall do." She laughed. If this bastard boy is truly his father's son, he will not suspect a thing. Perhaps he will even thank me, before the blade slides between his ribs. "It will need to be done carefully, to be sure. Leave the rest to me, my lords." This was how an enemy should be dealt with: with a dagger, not a declaration. "We have done good work today, my lords. I thank you. Is there aught else?"
  11. Oh lawdy, lawdy This is one of the "classic" D&D twists that still makes no sense to this day. And to make it worse, it was re-quote-twisted by other reporters as being something that was never said
  12. I cannot seem to find the quote by GRRM where he states something along the lines of 'X' won't have a POV because they know too much. Was it Littlefinger, or Varys, or Howland? I have searched but cannot find the source. Does anyone out there know of this source. Thanks a billion
  13. I am extremely skeptical about any new ASOIAF making it to screen. This Targ war was all devastation all the time. From the smallfolk to each other- total mindf*cks the whole time. Murder, incest, betrayal, repeat gets a little iffy after a while in a show. And a lot of animal-dragons die.
  14. This has been an odd last few days.... The story that is described as the beginning of the end of House Targaryen is still on... https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/29/game-of-thrones-targaryen-prequel-ordered-hbo/ Adding: As one Game of Thrones prequel dies, another rises from the ashes. HBO announced Tuesday that its GoT prequel project about the Targaryen civil war has officially received a full series order. The title: House of the Dragon. Ten episodes have been ordered. Also announced: Emmy-winning GoT director Miguel Sapochnik will serve as co-showrunner and direct the pilot. Sapochnik directed acclaimed episodes such as “Battle of the Bastards,” “Hardhome” and “The Long Night.” The announcement comes just hours after news broke that the network’s first GoT prequel project from showrunner Jane Goldman starring Naomi Watts was not moving forward. The new prequel was co-created by author George R.R. Martin and Ryan Condal (Colony) — who will also be a showrunner on the series. A poster was also released with the tagline “Fire Will Reign”:
  15. Say wuuut now? I’m sure someone out there owes me a dollar https://deadline.com/2019/10/game-of-thrones-prequel-pilot-dead-hbo-jane-goldman-naomi-watts-1202771609/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
  16. You are a little ahead of me then in the audio, but so far it seems just as reported in that main/first thread. There was an article out by a fan site that tried to claim the poster was bias/possibly not reporting correctly, but so far it all seems accurate as described.
  17. There is audio for those who want to listen. I am only partway through at the moment. Where I found it: https://twitter.com/brooklynmarie/status/1188946973501427712?s=21 The link within goes to Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/aboynamedart/got-panel-at-austin-film-festival
  18. Since this thread is about the "behind the scenes" stuff, I wanted to share this here. So, Dave and Dan spoke at a writers festival recently (today depending on when you are reading this). A fan on Twitter live tweeted the talk with the showrunners. Gems. Absolute gems in this discussion. One of my faves right here: Dan wanted to remove as many fantasy elements as possible bc “we didn’t just want to appeal to that type of fan.” They wanted to expand the fan base to people beyond the fantasy fan base to “mothers, NFL players”... So, so many interesting tidbits here, so I am giving you a link to check them out for yourselves... thread link here. A few more good ones: The moderator is asking them about their comments acknowledging they didn’t understand the characters, and the extra minutes helped them understand the characters better. Dan is saying that he let the actors redefined the roles, esp Maisie and they began writing for the actors, it is like the actor moved into the “house” and redecorated. He said he learned about the characters from the actors. What are some of your faves from this talk?
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