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    A Who Sent the Catspaw Theory

    But Joffrey failed. He didn't succeed. Why would he share his failure with either of them? Even when Arya outsmarted him, he was wise enough to lie and say that two people attacked him at once, so as to not make himself look as incapable as he really is. So what would be the point of exposing himself after the botched plan? As for impressing Sansa. Prior to the whole Nymeria and Robb declaring himself King, Joffrey is acting perfectly aound Sansa. Because that's what he has been trained. Even afterNymeria when he seduces Sansa agin. Does he really care about Sansa? No. But he does show off to people quite a lot. In Winterfell, he tries to show off he can fight with a real sword. Then he tries to show off against Mycah. And later again when he's King he says stupid things and brags about how he shot a woman on the arm. I don't really think he was trying to put Bran out of his misery but if he was trying to exert control in some way then yeah, I would believe Joffrey could do it. Whether someone else put the idea on his head is a different thing. Though LF was away and that's kind of a big deal. And Joffrey's meaning of "mercy" is kind of warped in and off itself. Whether anyone would be impressed is a whole different thing as to what joffrey might believe. His mother would certainly be impressed by the initiative, maybe not the execution. Sandor or Robert, probably not. Especially Robert. but Joffrey might not see it that way. Surely the incident between him and Robert regarding the kittens in the past might be enough hint for him, but Joffrey has mostly contempt for his father. I wouldn't be surprised if Sandor stood higher for him than Robert at thatpoint in the story, after all they spent a lot of time together from what it seemed.
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    When Ned confronted Cersei...

    Eddard had proof though. the book he was studying and before him, Jon Arryn was studying, showed that when Baratheon's and Lannisters marry, their children ALWAYS have black hair. And on top of that Eddard also had Robert's bastards as additional proof.
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    A Who Sent the Catspaw Theory

    I don't know if someone has mentioned it already, but Joffrey has used "mercy" as a reason to kill someone. Eddard Stark. When he becomes King, Sansa is begging him to show mercy to her father and Joffrey decided to cut Eddard's head off and calling it a mercy. Sure, LF must have had a hand in the decision to have Ned killed but it's not unheard off for Joffrey to consider death a "mercy". After Eddard's execution: Still, I don't think Joffrey was trying to impress Robert, heck if anything he might be trying to impress Sansa or Sandor. i wouldn't find it weird if he thought he was doing Sansa a favor or something in his stupidity, just like when he started threatening Mycah trying to show off. As for Sandor, he's a person who does practise mercy killings as we later find out while journeying with Arya. And Sandor with Joffrey do have a rather interesting interaction a while before the attempt at Bran's life. It's also believed by Cersei that Joffrey did sort of look up to the Hound and might have considered him a sort of father figure, so is it that weird that at this point Joffrey might have done something like that to show off or something to Sandor? I don't know if he ended up telling him because the attempt did fail in the end.
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    When Ned confronted Cersei...

    Arya doesn't look like Catelyn though.
  5. Probably the most difficult to relate to in my opinion is Ariane. She's very entitled and acts really immature for her age (I think she's 23?). But her storyline does get better in TWoW (the sample chapter I've read at least). And while Catelyn also makes sense I also cant personally relate to her for some reason but I can understand where she comes from. Not that shes badly writter, far from it she just doesn't resonate with me that much for some reason. I could definitely relate more to characters like Sansa, even Arya in some parts and Brienne as well. With Dany at times but not always. The women are pretty decently written, I like that they have complex feelings and make mistakes whether out of love for their children (Catelyn) , for sex or power and perhaps even more reasons. None of them are too idealistic (except maybe partly Arya and Daenerys as far as fighting skills, survival and hatching dragons goes) I do enjoy reading some of the women's thought process, like Cersei's. I don't agree with her most of the time but she's pretty entertaining and she can be funny unintentionally. I also enjoy Sansa's thought process because you can see a lot of the struggle Sansa has gone and is going through. Like whether to trust people or not.
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    Why do people hate Sansa?

    It's normal and natural to dislike or hate certain characters. We can't like everyone. I think that's one of the reasons people dislike Sansa, they just dislike her as a character or find her boring (while understanding her). Then there are people who I feel don't understand her but get stuck on one of her behaviors (like her behavior in AGOT) and keep disliking her for that. It's really annoying especially when people claim specific reasons they dislike her and I think to myself that they probably skipped her chapters (a reminder to everyone who says Sansa didn't do anything and was too passive, Sansa took a risk to meet Dontos in the godswood if it meant escaping. She could have just stayed in her room and not bothered, but when the opportunity arose she took it. There's not much else she can really do in her situation. Let's be real) I personally like her and relate to her in regards to some stuff and I do think she has some of the best and more exciting chapters in both AGOT and ACOK. (Hand's tourney was a very nice chapter). But then I'm not allergic to feminine female characters. Still puzzles me people blame Sansa for everything that happened to Ned. Ned was also as naive as Sansa to confront Cersei BEFORE ensuring his daughters were safe. How do people keep missing this? Sansa goes to Cersei thinking Cersei is a kind person (and not knowing what is going on back stage, how Ned is in KL to investigate Jon Arryn's murder and finding out about Cersei's bastards) and Ned on the other hand, goes to Cersei to tell her what he knows BELIEVING she'll act the same way as Catelyn would (choose to protect her kids by leaving). But Cersei reacts unpredictably for Ned.
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    Why did The Hound stop The Mountain from killing Loras?

    I personally think he didn't want to be witness to his brother's brutality once more. remember the night before when he escorts Sansa? Sandor is sort of shaken at what happened to that boy from the Vale because Gregor killed him on purpose not by accident. he'd probably do the same to Loras. There's also perhaps the possibility that Sansa comfort and understanding got through him and he decided to act valiantly. And some may even say he wanted to kill his brother on his own. I think all of those factors are pretty valid combined. While Sandor can be brutal himself when he has an order (Mycah for example) I don't think he truly finds pleasure in killing like Gregor and doesn't kill random people for the fun of it. And perhaps Sansa's words reached him and he decided to stand up to Gregor. And I think that's why his goal is to kill him (or so he says) as in to stand up. it's funny that prior to that Sandor never looked for an opportunity to kill him and even when he had it and might even have been justified to do so, he didn't take it.
  8. Both, cause they need to re-unite.
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    alternate jon

    But Jon doesn't know that the Night's Watch is made up of criminals, cause Northmen (or at least WF) keep the NW in high regard. the rest of the Houses? not so, that's why it's filled with criminals. And that's exactly at the realization he comes when he first joins, that it's not made up of noble people who wish to serve a noble cause. it's the same with Sansa believing that reality is liked in the songs and stories. Jon's uncle, Benjen, had decided to join NW and he was a noble man and a decent role model. So Jon's opinion of NW perhaps is based on his opinion of Benjen who decided to serve/protect the realm, noble cause no doubt. Jon is 14 of course he's naive. If people think that at 14 the person the want to bone is the love of their life and can't live without them, why is it had to understand that Jon viewed NW in a romantic view? Ned did something very unusual for every nobleman who fathers bastards, he brought Jon home. He insulted Catelyn's honor. And Catelyn is very honorable, perhaps she was the more honorable and dutiful maid in all the 7 Kingdoms in her time. Catelyn is pretty much acting like mom after her mom died, doesn't complain, excels at what she's supposed to know as a woman, betrothed to Brandom and she doesn't whine nor complain because she's aware it's her duty to her family and has accepted and WHEN Brandon dies, she's expected to marry his brother (whom she's never met) as tradition dictates and once more she doesn't complain. She was the perfect daughter, heck she was even prepared for bastards because that's how men(Lords) in Westeros are. She's S tier wife material right there and then Ned brings Jon to live among her children. Something that NO lord does to his wife because it's insulting. Not only that, but some decades ago people had to deal with the Blackfyre Rebellion. So not only is she not getting perhaps the respect and treatment she deserves after working hard her whole life, her children are also in danger (in her mind) from a bastard who could challenge them. Was that all? No, when Catelyn hears rumors regarding Ashara Dayne she decides to ask Ned herself and not only doesn't he answer he actually gets really angry. So what does this tell Catelyn about Jon's mother? Well that Ned must have loved her a lot to bring Jon here AND that he must still love her to have such a reaction. And the shadow of the woman Ned loved and had Jon with remains till they separate. And Jon is a constant reminder of that and a constant threat to Catelyn. I won't argue that Catelyn was cold to him, cause she was and did seem to try to create distance between him and her kids in indirect ways, but those circumstances make it pretty difficult for Catelyn to warm up to him. Ned also seems to be aware how difficult it'd be FOR ANY woman (not only Catelyn) to be in such a situation and that's why he never forces her to be the mother Jon never had, because he knew how much he dishonored her in everyone's eyes by bringing Jon here. But at the same time he has a promise. I personally would not want to be in a case such as Catelyn's where I do everything right without whining and complaining and then I get rewarded with dishonor or anything similar. I'd feel cheated out of what I really deserved to be honest. But Catelyn again, tried to suppress that around Ned and grew to love him but he couldn't unfortunately do the same in regards to Jon. And that is because the issue is unresolved essentially. That woman haunts Catelyn and Ned is not willing to discuss it with her or assure her, so it's natural it'll cause friction and problems in some sort of way.
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    Lyanna's winter rose crown

    I was referring to this exchange of theirs: Barristan is very hesitant to praise Rhaegar's combat ability for some reason. if anything he seems to imply that Rhaegar was better in other areas. And this is Barristan we're talking about who really loved, respected and admired Rhaegar. Why is he having such a hard time calling Rhaegar a good warrior? Look at the last paragraph. Is he being completely truthful there or making that up for Daenerys' sake. Barristan, as we all know, went on a solo mission and brought back the King. So i find it a bit hard to believe that such a man as hismelf, would really believe such a thing. I mean perhaps he does, but would he for such a legendary warrior as Rhaegar (at least that's what the tales say). i wouldn't be surprised if Barristan doesn't want to destroy Daenerys' version of Rhaegar but still, it's weird how he only calls Rhaegar a good warrior (if even that comes from his real opinion) when Daenerys and Jorah insist on it, so as not to antagonize them. Jorah might have seen Rhaegar at some point fight (I don't remember well), but Daenerys hasn't. She's only heard tales from Viserys, who's also been telling her bullshit about how Targaryens don't get sick or something. The only one who was truly around Rhaegar and with enough experience to be able to judge his skill was Barristan Selmy. Barristan when asked about Aerys: Even when it came to Aerys, Barristan had a hard time expressing the truth to Daenerys. Would it be impossible for Barristan to find it harder to express his honest opinion of Rhaegar to his sister, who never got to meet him? And unlike Aerys who was pretty terrible, Rhaegar was the total opposite (in Barristan's opinion at least). I might be missing some more info from the following chapters, but I'm currently basing my opinion on this exchange between the two. When I re-read his chapters or his other interractions with Dany I'll try to take notice of how he talks about Rhaegar.
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    Lyanna's winter rose crown

    Actually this si pretty cool. I've considered sometimes that perhaps Rhaegar didn't win because of his real skill, but I always saw Selmy saying he was not enough of a good knight to mean that Rhaegar was simply better in combat or jousting. Which seemed a bit contradicting because sometimes Selmy seemed to imply that Rhaegar wasn't as good of a soldier/knight as Viserys had Daenerys believe (especially when he had compared Rhaegar to Arthur Dayne). This is a very good explanation that I also think lines up with Selmy's character. It makes sense that he would judge letting the crown Prince win to be the diplomatic choice and not the knightly and honest way. (Ned also uses the same argument against Robert when he wants to fight in the melee, that because he's the King, people would not fight fairly out of fear of hurting the King)
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    Joffrey Baratheon Discussion

    Well, during one of the times he humiliates Sansa he does order the Kingsguard to strip her from the waist up and Tyrion after witnessing this does considering Joffrey's interest in sex. So he plans to take him to some brothels (but never gets the opportunity what with preparing for the battle against Stannis and his attempt to isolate Joffrey from the Hound). So you could say, in a twisted way he is interested in sex. Just still in a way that involves sadism and/or humiliation 9he also threatens Sansa with rape). Not to forget that cersei's interest in sex is also not healthy/genuine. She either uses it to gain something, fuck Jaime whom she considers an extension of herself or use it to feel dominant (the case with Taena)
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    Saddest Asoiaf Quotes

    For me it's this exchange: Just something about the realization of how one doesn't matter as a person is really sad. And I think here Sansa really realizes the position she's in and reality of her situation. it's pretty cruel and tough and hard to come to terms with imo. And this unfortunately can be true in the real life as well.
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    Joffrey Baratheon Discussion

    I don't know if it has been mentioned (didn't read all the posts), but i think when the Baratheons and Lannisters visit Winterfell, Joffrey is taller than some of the older kids (Robb and Jon, or just Robb). Considering his mother and father are Cersei and Jaime it's safe to say that he has a huge possibility of being handsome as well. Jon does remark on his girly looks, he also calls Myrcella insipid (if I'm right) when she's beside Robb 9which i think goes on to show his jealousy). For his martial prowess, we've never actually seen Joffrey fight. let's not forget that he was carrying a real sword against Arya and Mycah. Also that one time Sandor comments sarcastically on Joffrey "a brave boy" when he's told that Joffrey shot someone with a crossbow, leads me to believe that Joffrey is all talk. And keep in mind that as Joffrey is the crown prince, people might let him win for fear of punishment. As for his sex drive, i think he did die a virgin. Tyrion took notice of what Joffrey was doing to Sansa (not just abusing her but also humiliating her by having Kingsguard rip her clothes) and attributed it a sexual interest and wanted t take him to a brothel. But I don't think that plan ever comes to fruition and all throughout ACOK, Joffrey is prancing around either shooting people or being there as encouragement for the soldiers. So i don't think he had much time or interest then (I think he liked violence better). As for his upbringing, i think the responsibility falls mostly on Cersei, because Joffrey's beliefs andactions seemed to mirror those of Cersei's. And she never disciplines him, instead he always gets his way and other people are punished for his wrongdoings. Robert was also absent from Joffrey's life as a role model. He tried to discipline him once, but Cersei intervened. The other role model for Joffrey is the Hound. He really seems like a bad role model to be honest. Although he himself does have some potential for good, he stands for more sinister things. And there's the whole valyrian dagger thing. Who was Joffrey trying to impress? Robert or the Hound after all? I personally think the Hound. Which leads me to believe that he admires the wrong things about Sandor perhaps? And at some point Sandor could control him and dissuade him from doing stupid shit, but after he becomes King and the power goes to his head he stops listening to anyone.
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    Sandor and Tyrion

    Sorry if I misunderstood, but when I mentioned his privileges and how his career had being on a good path, i meant that for Sandor his promotion must have had some positive impact on him. So in my mind, at that point he had less of an external reason to act in a sef-destructive manner, which he has the tendency to. letting power get to you is a valid concern, but it was not what I was talking about. The way you put it in the last post (or the way I understood) was that Sandor was deteriorating and his morals as well, that is what I disagreed with, because he shows no signs that he does, he has no biter or Gregor tendencies and his hard work has finally being acknowledge publicly and everyone can know through the position he has attained. (by joining the Kingsguard). Of course this prove to be more difficult to enjoy with Sansa being unjustly beaten. But again, I'm not talking about this part. Only that Sandor has for the first time in years to feel some sort of satisfaction in his life, because the position and status he gained is a result of his hard work (and as he tells us he really has nothing more to lose.) When I proposed some posts ago, that Sandor might have been an agent of LF, you told me that his loyalty would have no meaning and it's a big part of his character (paraphrasing), can't the same be said in this case if Sandor could choose to disobey orders anytime he didn't want to something? That's pretty idealistic, i'd assume Sandor knows the kind of job he's doing and that his own morals and ideals have no place when he's working. And of course till that point, he really has not being conflicted for a very long time I assume, until Sansa comes along. I think Brienne, believed in the same tales as well, of knighthood and heroism, but at the moment she's dealing with the conflicts and hardships that such a way of life bring. is it really fair? To use Brienne and her story as an example of true knighthood doesn't do anyone justice I think, especially if you look at where she is right now. (either being killed off by Ladystoneheart or having to betray Jaime. Can she really find a way to not betray either of them? It sounds pretty idealistic imo, so she'll probably have to choose one or the other. And again Brienne would die if she was by herself, but she isn't. She's with Pod who is also unjustly sentenced because he is travellng with Brienne. So now she has to bring Jaime to Ladystoneheart). Sandor already recognizes that he's killed innocent people while in service. He tells so Sansa and he calls himself a butcher when he's taken captive by the BwB and talks about the hypocrisy of knights. Every knight(or most) has committed atrocities(except maybe Brienne who has inexperienced and has a different mission atm), that's the way of war, that's what Sandor keeps trying to explain Sansa about the knights. So no, he's not running away or excusing himself. The thing is though that he has good points, beyond being good at killing people and being loyal, and those are the points Sansa notices and so does Arya later on. Arya's relationship with the Hound isn't only a hostile one. It starts off that way, but while Arya is traveling she sees Sandor as a person, forgets to include him in her list and when he's suffering she doesn't kill him. She says it's cause he doesn't deserve mercy but that doesn't exclude the possibility that she just can't do it. Sansa's rescue though isn't really defying any orders. If anything, he did the Lannisters a favor by saving her. They couldn't afford to lose Sansa. And again Sandor is very brave in general, unlike the other Kingsguard who were very scared and would not listen to Tyrion, Sandor isn't afraid of death (at least that's what he says). Just saying that in this case, Sandor's loyalties don't really conflict with his sense of right and wrong. (unlike say when he's ordered by Joffrey to hit Sansa too) To be honest I'm personally not that bothered with it. It's inappropriate yeah, but as I understand where it's coming from it doesn't upset me much. He was pretty brutal to Sansa about her father's death and he mocked them both, I mind that a bit more, but I still understand the reason behind it. He has issues to be honest, it's kinda difficult for people with issues (that they don't deal with) to be decent people and I believe for Sandor though conflicting feelings are more intense during the book series. (with Sansa and Arya around to challenge his way of life). But again you have to remember the state that Sandor is in. I don't know how present his father was before the burning incident, but that alone should tell you how unsupportive he was when Sandor probably needed him most. (Sandor may not be blaming him, cause let's be honest, Gregor is scary and I wouldn't be surprised if his father was scared of him as well) And then he left "home" when he was 12 to become a soldier. That's all Sandor has, he has no home or family to speak off and from what we know, he had no childhood either. I think it's a bit unfair to be offended at his lack of politeness and brash nature. (not saying it's nice, but I personally can tolerate it) Yeah, I've been thinking about his willingness to kill his brother as well. I wonder if he really wants it or not. Though I think at that moment, when he jumped in to defend Loras, he didn't want to allow Gregor to hurt anymore people. Because Sandor didn't witness the incident. All he got was, go out and kill (perhaps) the butcher's boy because he assaulted the prince. He admits to not knowing about his innocence when Arya is accusing him. Whilst in the Hand's tourney, he can see what is happening and I'm sure Gregor arouses all sorts of emotions in him (understandably so because he has suffered in Gregor's hands). Other than that I'm very curious about his real feelings towards Gregor. When he was talking with Sansa he did say "I might have to kill my brother tomorrow", so it does seem like he was preparing mentally for it or something. Well , Sandor hurt himself the most that night. He seems to brood over it, but Sansa got over it and in the end she didn't even attain so much as a scratch which is weird considering Jon did the same thing to Ygritte but he drew blood. Oh that's another thing. Really interesting how similar those incidents are and how both of the girls consider them romantic (though in Ygritte's case it's her culture) And it's funny how Sansa later on seems to be bitter over Sandor not "stealing" her. You said you have a SanSan tumblr? Can you share it? (PM me). I wanna take a look. (I wonder if I've ever come across yours )