Thomaerys Velaryon

@zajaz Myriah Martell to Mariah Martell to Myriah Martell Myres to Myros Willum Royce to Willam Royce Tyler Hill to Emory Hill (+ a separate Tyler Hill was created earlier in the timeline too) Rogar Baratheon to Robar Baratheon to Rogar Baratheon Dormand Darry to Darnold Darry There has been quite a few examples in the past, Harlen to Harlan is just the most recent one we were made aware of. There are more if you count the reordering of Jaehaerys I's children that resulted in Aeryn Targaryen to Daenerys Targaryen or the several mispellings of characters throughout the series: Arys Oakheart misspelled as "Aerys" Jarman Buckwell misspelled as "Jarmen" Cuger misspelled misspelled as "Cugen" Rubert Brax misspelled as "Rupert" Lothor Brune misspelled as "Lothar" Sumner Crakehall misspelled as "Crake-hall" Osmund Kettleblack misspelled as "Oswald" Mago misspelled as "Maggo" Torwynd misspelled as "Torwyrd" Eldon Estermont misspelled as "Elden" Sybell Spicer misspelled as "Sybelle" Shadrich misspelled as "Shadrick" Erik Ironmaker misspelled as "Eric" Bowen Marsh misspelled as "Bower" House of Zhak misspelled as "Zakh" Ginger Jack misspelled as "Ginjer" Ramsay Bolton misspelled as "Ramsey" @Ran I'm wondering if the character of "Marian Stark" in the Blood of Dragons MUSH was named by Linda and you, or if you took that name from some of GRRM' notes he shared with you and he later decided to change her name into what it is currently in the canon "Mariah Stark" ?

https://redanianintelligence.com/2024/01/05/a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-aka-dunk-egg-series-gets-a-schedule-update/ Not a big deal but since I saw it, I might as well share it. The filming for Dunk and Egg has been pushed back from Spring 2024 to Summer 2024.

The spelling of "Harlen" only appears for this characters. Meanwhile we have 4 "Arlan" (of Pennytree and 3 Durrandon kings), 3 "Harlan" (Grandison, Hoare, and Hunter), as well as 2 Garland Gardener kings and 1 Garlan Tyrell . So it does make more sense to be "Harlan Tyrell" over "Harlen Tyrell".

@Hippocras That's not a theory, that's what the quote I provided said. The body was found next to Seasmoke. You've probably read my comment wrong because I'm talking about Kiera and the Red dragon faction here (Daeron II and his sons, Bloodraven, ..). Aegon IV was already dead by that point.

Not really, the explanation is simply because Ben found the body in the aftermath of the battle. Addam was able to assemble the riverlords which takes charisma (having a dragon next to you surely helps but it is not enough), I assume Addam left a big impression on the riverlords, especially on the young Benjicot (12 at the time). It makes sense to me he would have wanted a proper burial for Addam after the battle. Since House Velaryon was of dubious loyalty at the time (Corlys was imprisoned by Rhaenyra in KL), the best way to achieve that without risking to lose the body later on would be to sending it home to Raventree Hall. After the battle, Lady Sharis Footly got back the control of the town from the violent man who killed her husband and raped and impregnated her. She was a capable lady who reinvigorated the town in the years after the war but I don't blame her for not managing everything in the aftermath of the battle (including identifying and managing the 1,000+ corpses in and around her town). I can see your logic but I'm still not convinced Daena had more children after Daemon Waters or there was any exil involved. The idea of Daena being the mother of Rohanne and/or Kiera of Tyrosh is really weird. For that to work Daena would have to be exiled in 171 AC, go to Tyrosh and immediately get pregant by the Archon. By the time Rohanne would be born Viserys I would be dead and Aegon IV on the throne and Daena could come back to KL. Then at the end of his reign Aegon would discuss with the Archon to marry Daemon (that he just aknowledge as his bastard) with Rohanne. In this scenario, by the time they marry and have their first child (twins Aegon and Aemon) Daemon is 14 and while Rohanne is 12 pushing 13 at the most. I'm sorry but a 12 or 13 years old girl giving birth to healthy twins then having at least seven other children in the span of 12 years seem really unrealistic. I know some women in the story are just there to be "baby-machine" but that's really pushing it. Rohanne was almost certainly older than Daemon (kind of like Viserys II being 7 years younger than his wife Larra Rogare). In the case of Kiera, we know nothing about her so timeline-wise the idea of her being Daena's daughter could work. But then we have to ask the question: why would the Red Dragon faction be that interested in marrying her twice ? I've always put it at simply them building a coalition with a new Archon of Tyrosh (Rohanne's father's term as Archon was over by that time) to diminish the power and influence of the Blackfyre family in Tyrosh and thus reducing the threat level for another Blackfyre invasion of Westeros.

If we are talking in-universe, then Wyman Manderly is on the top of the list for me. The characters mostly underestimate his abilities due to his physical appearance and believe him to be a coward. But we readers know otherwise. If we are talking within the fandom, I'd nominate Mace Tyrell. Do I believe him to be a secret genius or brilliant politician ? No absolutely not, but I do think he deserves more credit than people give him. I don't think everything he does/wants comes from Olenna. By her own admition, it is Mace's idea to push for having an alliance with the iron throne. She is only there to guide things along for the betterment of the family when she can (which admitely is more than most Dowager Ladies we've met in the series). And since she returned for Highgarden in AFFC, her influence in Mace's plans is greatly diminished now. She might influence her grandsons's actions against the ironborn, however. We will see.

@Hippocras I wonder if @Lord of Oldstones's idea of a son of Ben Blackwood marrying a daughter of Cregan Stark does not come from the Blood of Dragons Mush game where Seth Blackwood marries Mariah Stark. Speaking of Ben Blackwood and his descendants, I'm fairly confident he was Bloodraven's great-grandfather. When the Brackens and Blackwoods are brought up, they usually go in pairs, if one is the Lord then the other too, if one is the son/daughter of the ruling Lord then the other is too. But when it comes to the mistresses of Aegon IV, Barba and Bethany are the daughters of Lord Bracken but the connection between Melissa Blackwood and the ruling Lord Blackwood is not specified. We know Ben had a long life, so to me it makes sense he was still the Lord Blackwood at that time and timeline wise him being Melissa's grandfather fits well (he was around 40 years old at Melissa's birth). I suppose Ben was still alive when Bloodraven was born too as he was only 57 years old at the time. Lord Quentyn Blackwood who was slain in a tourney in 206 AC most likely was one of Ben's direct descendants as well (either a grandson or great-grandson). The timing of Addam's reburial in Driftmark in 138 AC has always seemed odd to me. I wonder if GRRM first randomly chose this year while writing for TPATQ and TWOIAF to show that it did not happen immediately after the Dance of the Dragons. And then he did not bother to change/retcon it while he expanded this time period when writting for Fire & Blood. Given that Ben and Alyn worked together to put Joffrey Arryn as Lord of the Eyrie in 135 AC, you would think Addam's reburial would have happened in early 136 AC in the aftermath of the Great Council when everyone went back home. Also the reburial of Addam's bones could have been used as a setting for Alyn and Baela's reconciliation or for her announcing her second pregnancy (the theme of death and rebirth) before he departs for his second voyage. Plus the 138 AC date means that now Addam's reburial will be one of the first event in Fire & Blood Volume 2, instead of being in the end of the first volume when the stories linked to the Dance get wrapped up during the regency era. I'm not sure I'm buying Viserys sending Daena the Defiant into exile. From what we are told, Viserys's ascension to the throne was relatevely smooth. After a decade of isolation in the Maidenvault, Daena simply did not have the connections needed to pursue her claim to the throne.

@Ran Is that normal ?

@Loraq There you go, I've put Beron's descendant more so to the left and now all the lign appears as they should. Not necessarily. We don't know the link between Torrhen-Brandon 1-Roderick-Brandon 2. There is no real need to include Brandon 2 with Torrhen and the others who are closer to the Conquest. Fixed. Your observations were pertinent. You could create an account to edit the wiki directly, you know.

I see it too. The code is correct, I don't know why the ligns don't appear on the tree anymore. Corrected. I've linked to the House Royce of Runestone's page instead of the Gates of the Moon since we don't know if Raymar and Benedict were of the Gates of the Moon branch or another unnamed junior branch. Note: Catelyn says "Your father's father had no siblings, but his father had a sister who married a younger son of Lord Raymar Royce, of the junior branch." So, while it doesn't confirm that Raymar's branch = Gates of the Moon's branch, it does tend that way.

They are a trio of show-only characters we saw during the exterior shoot: Martin Reyne (Barney Fishwick), Eddard Waters (Tok Stephen) and Leon Estermont (Ralph Davis). Weirdly enough, the four actors who have been officially revealed back in April (Gayle Rankin as Alys Rivers, Abubakar Salim as Alyn of Hull, Simon Russell Beale as Simon Strong and Freddie Fox as Gwayne Hightower) do not appear in the teaser.

Good point, I changed it.

I agree with both of @Potsk's points. The nickname and epithet labels can be hit or miss.

@Abjiklam I have a question on the labels in the infobox header. Since the label "nickname" appears above/before the name of the character and the label "epithet" under it. How do you arrange the labels in the edit for noble characters with nickname(s) and title(s) but no epithet. For example Lord Samwell "Savage Sam" Tarly, I've placed "Savage Sam" under the label epithet so it appears under the charater name, but really "Savage Sam" is a nickname. The epithet equivalent would be "the Savage". Lord Bronze Yohn Royce works well enough here because the firstname doesn't change unlike Samwell/Sam. It's a small detail but I would prefer to edit the infobox correctly on the first try if possible.

@Mindset and @Potsk have raised an issue with the naming convention in the characters infobox on the wiki recently. Should we continue to avoid spoiler in the name part header of the infobox ? The time of the GOT show is passed and the weight book spoilers had in the past has lessened over the years. Is avoiding spoilers for the main series of books still a priority these days ? For example, should we continue to refer to Bronn in the infobox as simply "Bronn" as he is known at the start of the series, or "Ser Bronn of the Blackwater" as he is known by the end of ACOK, or "Lord Bronn" or even "Lord Bronn Stokeworth" as he likes to be known by the end of AFFC ? It's not like the naming convention we use has been 100% spoiler proof. Kings have always been refer as such, even if we meet them prior to their coronation (e.g. King Robb Stark). I'd like people to give their opinion on this issue, so we can all respect the same naming schema for everyone and keep the wiki coherent. @Ran @The Wondering Wolf @Abjiklam @Gonzalo @Nittanian

Why would the Northern storyline need a villain ? Cregan will be a bit antagonist towards Jace upon his arrival (typical stern/cold Stark) but he will warm up to him in time and potentially Sara Snow is thrown into the mix as well. Either way I don't expect Jace to stay in the North for long (2-3 episodes max). They've set up Aegon's Dream as an important narrative thread in the show, all the Wall/Night's Watch/Undead rumored new materials are tied to it somehow. I don't expect the Others and the Undead to play a significant role. At best Jace will have a vision or something that will convince him Aegon's Dream is real and it will push him towards wanting more dragonriders (that and Rhaenys's death of course), thus the sowing of the dragonseeds in the latter half of the season.

I've encountered the same problem several times too these past 10 days or so.

@eldritchonline I fixed it, thanks for pointing it out.

We don't know but from the number they gave us long ago, the consensus was that we will see all the dragons except Morghul, Shrykos and Stormcloud.

The image in the infobox for Criston Cole displays an error message: "Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination". Does anyone know what's causing the problem ?

We have no sightings of filming at the Wall set, only the set being built. So there is no way to tell if Jace is involved or not in this storyline as of yet.

I would prefer using the Star of the Faith for the clergy people only and not pious people who join a military order but if that's not what the majority of people think then the situation stays as is. @Ran Do you have an opinion on the subject ?

@Potsk @direpupy @Abjiklam I think showing the symbol for the Faith of the Seven in the infobox of the members of the Poor Fellows and the Warrior's Sons to be pointless since those characters already have either the Star of the Poor Fellows or the Sword of the Warrior's Sons. I vote to keep the Star and Swords but delete Faith of the Seven star, do you agree ? However, as he was a septon before the Faith Militant Uprising, both the Faith and the Poor Fellows sigils can stay for Septon Moon.

That's a good explanation, thank you.

In A Feast for Crows Cersei X, Cersei thinks of Ser Harys Swyft as "The knight of the yellow chicken". Is Cersei just making a mistake here or did GRRM ? Because the Swyft sigil is a blue chicken in a yellow field.