Daeron the Daring

Not necesarilly. Well, Rhaegar was, but we don't know much about Rhaella. But surely that's no reason enough.

That's even worse! Why would he even do that? Why not just comfort his own mother in a different way?

This is known. And thus: Benjen Stark=Brandon Stark (brother of Ned and Benjen)=Coldhands=Mance Rayder=Howland Reed=Rhaegar Targaryen=Daario Naharis=Euron Greyjoy. As such, Euron is the good guy of the story, the older brother of Daenerys, who only wants to look out for his sister, and of course, marry her, as it is customary. Not that he didn't have sex with Daenerys already: He slept with her as Daario, slept in her dream with her as Euron, and of course, slept with her mother as well (who was his mother as well), and thus he's her father-brother-husband. All this, unless of course Benjen is dead: then the whole thing falls apart. But we know that's not the case.

Oh, okay: I just couldn't decide wether you refer to him as someone wearing plot armor or someone George will make fall deeeeep. Thou I can imagine Ramsay go full rogue even after he's stripped of his titles and lordships, surviving for much longer than most readers do, but I can't see him ultimately getting away.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but Benjen Stark=Brandon Stark (brother of Ned and Benjen)=Coldhands=Mance Rayder=Howland Reed=Rhaegar Targaryen...

Well, as Bloodraven would say: It is possible they don't grow up in a single generation, nor in couple ones.

Explain.

It's interesting that Euron wants to sacrafice a couple priests of different religions, but the thing is: He May very well not care about his brother's death, but the Ironborn would. Neither kinslaying, nor the ritual sacrafice of a priest of their own religion would appeal to them, and I think Euron is smart enough to know that.

Like every other story, ASOIAF has plot armors as well. It is the genius of George that makes us not recognize it. But it's fair to say Daenerys will make it to Westeros and Jon will be ressurected. I don't think these are aspects George can our would want to throw away.

The two times his ressurection was of use in the plot was the one you mentioned, and when he was left behind the Wall. Not only because he may have survived because he may not have been alive the same way others are (bc of the ressurection), but also to shock Daenerys when she sees his scars on his body (to make her fall in love with him?). Also, his most recent promise was that if by July 31 of 2020 he doesn't have the final version of TWOW in his hands, he allows the fans to lock him up alone in the middle of nowhere until he finishes. There was, I think, some kind of con on that date, and when the date came, he said that, well, since because of COVID the event wasn't happening, he can't deliver us the book, not that he could do it anyway. But to be fair, I think he may have like three quarters of the book written. Not that that means anything, he could get stuck anytime.

Also, I'm not sure if this is related to the whole idea presented in my last post, but: -Daemon, after arriving at Harrenhall, was counting the days by slashing one mark on the weirwood tree of Harrenhall each day. -He made 13 slashes in total, as Aemond showed up on the 14th day of his waiting (he made the marks at dusk). The Last Hero and his companions numbered 13. The Night's Kings was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. The Night's King also ruled for 13 years. Why did he do it, and why on the weirwood tree? Why did Aemond only show up on the 14th day, after 13 slashes, that bleed every spring to this day? He could've kept in mind the number of days just as well, he could've numbered them on a piece of paper if he wanted to, he could've made someone count them for him, but no he had to do slashes on the heart tree. -The other interesting fact is that there is a godswood in Harrenhall, with a weirwood in it. The construction of Harrenhall started some 40 years before Aegon's conquest, but the Hoares weren't followers of the Old Gods at all. Yet there was a godswood, with a weirwood tree. If the tree was planted, it could've been 170 years old by the Dance. If I'm not wrong, weirwoods grow very slowly, don't they? 170 years later the tree is big enough for Daemon to make marks on it, 350 years later it has a face and Arya climbs on it. I guess the castle must have been built around one then, but that doesn't make sense either, from the POV of a Hoare. My bet is on George not thinking trough things when he decided upon the origin story of Harrenhall, which is okay. I guess this is really hard to come by with. -The third point could be totally unrelated thou, but the conclusion I make is: Daemon was doing meaningless things that somehow are connected to the Old Gods, which gives strange hints towards him surviving the battle above the God's Eye, and ending up on the Isle of Faces, which, of course, makes the idea of Aemond's son being taken away by the green man a little more likely.

Quathie=Ashara Dayne=Jeyne Swann=Shiera Seastar=Elissa Farman=Rhaenys Targaryen. This is known. Jokes aside, elaborate.

This could only distract him from a side project, not Winds. He can't be more distracted from Winds than he is.

You kinda convinced me, but on the other hand, if TWOW's won't be at least 2 year long, I don't know how we get any weight of winter and time actually passing, with characters actually aging for once.

I personally feel strong about Jon being dead and that 'the chicken soup option' wasn't an option, meaning hid death (after the assasination) is/was inevitable. However, I do think he will be ressurected. But at the same time, as someone pointed pointed out, George will probably not let him get away so easily. He will be different, yet similar. His own death will leave a toll on his personality and will traumatize him heavily. I think we will lose him as a POV, to sorta not understand what's going on with him, but I don't imagine him taking a turn to the dark side. If he stops being a POV, I imagine we won't really get to know what's really in his mind for a very long time, and his story will move forward from Mel's POV (otherwise I don't see much reason for Mel being established as a POV. She revealed some interesting stuff about magic in general, but nothing more. Nothing really essential) Altough he hadn't been trained in the art of skinchanging, it is pretty clear he'll be in Ghost for the time his body is dead. It is kind of strange thou, since you can't skinchange anymore once you leave your body for good. Which raises the question of how will he return. Well I don't know, but I guess somebody must live in his body once it is ressurected. As for Ghost, I also never had an answer on wether Jon taking over him would mean his death, but the same rules may apply for him as well. Once his body is free and alive, his consciousness can return. I once brought up Coldhands as an example to better understand Jon's situation. I imagine Coldhands was a skinchanger, but he died. He may or may not have been resurrected by White Walker magic, but that later was forced out of his body, with the help of the COTF? Either way, I think he is the product of a skinchanger being resurrected and returning to his own body. But of course, ressurection as a possibility had been established a long ago, and even tho I think Jon's will be slightly different than anyone else's, the connections are there. And if Jon is some sort of Azor Ahai or promised hero, Brynden and the COTF will definitely have a word about his death.

I don't think Corlys meant to be sexist here. It is obvious Corlys loved Rhaenys, and he fought for her and Laena's claims at the Great Council of 101, not Laenor's. Was he faithful to Rhaenys? Seems like he wasn't, which again takes away from his good attributes. But the thing is, Driftmark's heir had always been Laenor, who was younger than Laena. And the reason was his sex. As such, it is clear that House Velaryon, and the lordship of Driftmark had an established form of succession: Male only. Note that the extended Velaryon family was displeased with Corlys for legitimizing Alyn and Addam, but also with the illegitimacy of Laenor's sons, because it stripped them of the Lordship of Driftmark, not Baela or Rhaena. I personally would've loved if there were female rulers of the Iron Throne (I still don't get why Rhaenyra wasn't later aknowledged as Queen) and Driftmark, but male only succession resembles history. Just think of the french succession, the salic law. Now of course, there are weird situations, such as Sansa having a truer claim to Winterfell than really distant branches of House Stark, but when females inherit, usually their descendants keep the maternal house name for themselves. Think of the Lannisters. It's for legitimacy. But also think of Alys Karstark, who is clearly the heir of Lord Rickard, despite having a living brother and nephew, who, of course, want to force Alys into a marriage with Cregan Karstark.

Wow. These are the reasons I like following this forum.

One thing I recently tought about (yesterday, to be more precise), is what happened to Alys Rivers and her son withAemonf Targaryen. Didn't find a topic focusing only on her and her son, so I tought this is the place I should come to. .......... So of course we know how Fire and Blood ended with a cliffhanger in their case, but that doesn't explain how few people remember them or how historical accounts don't seem to ever talk about them as ever being a huge deal. So I came up with the idea that: -Daemon did survive the Battle above the God's eye. He was either saved by the green men from the Isle of Faces, or got there by himself, and was accepted into there. -Spending time there, he became one with the mystical society of the island, giving up all his ambitions, relations and duties of his past life, hence the reason he stayed there, altough it may be that he wasn't even allowed to leave. He may had been a fascinating person to the green man, with (I guess) magic in his blood and all, but this isn't a requirement to the whole theory to function. -However, there's a point to be made about having magic in someone's blood, and that happens to be in Alys' son's case. The boy was not only a Targaryen, but her mother a supposed witch, a seemingly very powerful one. Now of course, it isn't that popular in ASOIAF to have magical powers due to your bloodline of witches and stuff, but it was a very common thing people based and base their claims of posessing supernatural abilities in real life. -In the end, Daemon, as a changed man, wanted to save the boy from the death that was knocking on the gates of Harrenhall. His intentions may have alligned with what the green men of the island wanted, since the boy probably had magic in his blood or something. It also may be that they only approved of it because it was a boy with magic in his blood, or that this whole thing was their ambition and deed, with Daemon being completely out of the picture, dead or alive. So what I say is: The green men of the Isle of Faces took the boy as danger was closing on him and his mother, because the little lad may have posessed magical powers that could serve the Old Gods in the future. This would explain why there isn't a proper ending given to him in any source as of yet, and why wasn't he ever adressed in TWOIAF as a major threat to Aegon III's rule. I imagine his mother Alys Rivers didn't accompany him to the island, since the boy was stolen from her, and she was 'taken down' by the forces of Aegon III, named and imposter for claiming she married Aemond Targaryen and had a trueborn son from the marraige, which only a few ever saw, and thus it became a legen od some sort. Note that the survival of Daemon Targaryen isn't a requirement for the theory to work, but it may make a little more sense that way. I really love the character but I have no interest in him after the Battle of the God's Eye, even if he survived. He also is George's favorite Targaryen, and he may have given him some more time than it would first seem to any reader. ((I know it is crackpot, it is just an idea originating from boredom I've been in the last few days. I don't feel strongly about it, but I think it's an interesting take that would still fit the narrative, despite the wildness.))

I don't think we mean the same when we both say "wild". But I also know this is totally fanfic stuff, and I'll be considering it that. I also wonder how come George hates fan-fiction, but highly approves a show that is set after his own supposed end date, after te point when he doesn't intend to flesh out anything at all. I guess his public approval is pretty important, and money talks, which is more than understandable for me.

The only way the show could set me off is if they make the Greens racists. Because it may very well seem like that, once they will start saying that Rhaenyra's children aren't Laenor's. Not that I'm a green supporter (don't look at my name, ok?), but still, it would just take away a lot from the story, somewhat as a justification for the Blacks. But of course, even if that was the case, characters like Helaena and Daeron would still be the example of being stuck on the side they were born on, despite their beliefs, I suppose.

Then she surely must know that in some cases, some people/families may have chosen people they wanted gone anyway. The crucified slave masters probably weren't coming from any leading position. Altough I sometimes wonder if people could've actually picked someone who was opposed to slavery and didn't enjoy it's benefits, or even in these cases the eliminated ones were political opponents. Not that I think she dealth with this a good way. Her punishment should've been more/most extensive and much less harsh.

Letting his son grow up with a stranger who could turn the boy against him just for having an identity he could fake as well isn't that logical tho. As far as I can tell, Jon Con isn't that much of a provider to Aegon's legitimacy, and even if he was, he could be asked at any point to support a supposed Aegon, and he simply would.

Yes, sure, but Daenerys questions wether they deserved it or not, not wether they were actually guilty or not, because she wasn't dealing with the situation properly. She doesn't think she may have crucified innocent people, she wonders wether she was too harsh or not.

It is probably a weightless act in a conflict that's several thousand years old. On the other hand, Lord Bracken was opportunistic, and had no problem getting into business just after his son's death, for the loss of his neighbour he fought alongside with just recently. And then again, one could argue Lord Blackwood was more honorable, just as Jaime thinks, but at the same time, he just waited long enough to get out of the sticky situation he got into a little more honorably. Is that really honorable, then? .... But it's strange and funny how his comment could refer to Jon Snow just as well, and it would be right. Kind of a parallel right there: Both Lord Bracken and Ned have their bastard sons growing up at their father's home, and the comment Lord Blackwood makes is revealing and true in Jon's case.

Sadly, most of the time, not even George looks for the long answer. Look at Daenerys. I don't think he meant the crucifixion of 163 slave masters as her most questionable act. I think he simply meant to show Daenerys cares about slaves. If you look at the core of the issue, she made a deeply flawed decision there. The Blackwoods are indeed portrayed as generally better over and over again, if we look at it the way George tought we will and should look at it.