Daeron the Daring

If I had to put the big six in order (it's gonna be big 6 for me, because I like Sansa's character) it would be like this: Jon, Daenerys, Sansa, Tyrion, Arya, Bran. But in reality, right now, I would get the most excited about a new Bran POV chapter. That I guess tells how much I like all of them. The secondary characters I can't stop appreciating (as characters, not as good persons) are Jaime, Littlefinger, Doran, and Asha and Benjen. Maybe in that order.

I'm just waiting for Arya to reunite with Elmar at some point. It's just bound to happen, and he's one of the Freys who doesn't have to do anything with the Red Wedding. Plus, he was nice to her (most of the time).

No it hasn't. But name a better story for a live-action sequel. The problem of Dunk and Egg is that it's heavily lacking material (or any kind of ending and purpose), the Conquest is linear and not interesting on screen, the Maegor v the Faith and Aenys' sons is a short story, just as the war of the Ninepenny Kings, and the Tragedy of Sumerhall is just tragic. I guess a spinoff with 3-4 seasons at best could work with including (starting out with) the Tragedy of Summerhall, Jaehaerys' reign, Aerys' reign and Robert's Rebellion, but do people really want to see something with such a great interconnection with GoT? The best options for another spinoff are Nymeria's conquest of Dorne and the Blackfyre Rebellion/s. The options are actually very few. And even if GOT had been good, the number would rise only to 3 (with RR). And I'm not sure if George can block HBO from using any of his material, if they want to. And that's still not meg saying a Blackfyre spinoff should happen. I just tought about how Daena the Defiant most probably presented her grandfather, Daemon, as this great hero of the Dance, and in case HBO plans on doing a sequel to HOTD/prequel to GOT about the Blackfyres, this would've been a great way to lay the groundworks to it.

Didn't read the conversation before this, but it's not like only characters suggested or suspected by the authors of FnB could be behind certain events. I like book Rhaenyra, but I think it's not ruled out she may have had a hand in Laenor's death. After all, it was her who approached Daemon at that point, not the other way around.

Just tought about it: HBO should've had Daena the Defiant be the narrator of the intro, with possibly having a few more lines too (kind of How I Met Your Mother style, but with way way less narration) in the coming episodes and seasons, and in the end it should've been revealed that she was telling the story to Daemon Waters, later Daemon Blackfyre. Of course, the story should've still been present from an omnipresent POV. Imagine that setup for a Blackfyre Rebellion series.

So, everybody here saw the leaked EP10?

Well, I guess we know what those marble balls are for at the Small Council. I mean, damn, they looks sharp, but not that sharp.

Vaemond Velaryon: U bitsch. Daemon: Keep my wife's name out your fucken mouth!

I tought I will have a hard time with Viserys finally going. It took so fucking long (in in-universe years) and it was so ridiculous that it became a relief to me, with no feelings attached. If only they showed him as this real family person who cared about his other children (and grandchildren) beside Rhaenyra, who finds joy in telling Helaena's children stories of the Targaryens of the past, like in the book. I really don't like that part about his character. I may at this point think that there wasn't enough material for 2 seasons (altough with a limited amount of subplots and stuff added, that could've been achieveable too) for the pre-Dance era, this season really could've used 13-14 episodes total. I also don't like how they want to keep the pan hot by throwing sudden violence in my face, this time with Vaemond. And even if Daeron isn't cut, I find his absence or of a mention of him a mistake at this point, with the toasts and all that never even mentioning him. I wonder why would he even feel attached to the Greens or be passionate about the death of his own kin if he doesn't even know them (especially not the children of Aegon and Helaena). The mistakes are becoming overwhelming to me, but I think I should have a casual sense of what the show is, not one who read the books, to judge it. And despite the complaints (again, from a reader of the source material), this is quality TV content.

With the incident of the last episode (which is the highest rated so far everywhere on the internet), I just realised how much crazy stuff we are actually gonna see. Makes me really want to see the storming of the Dragonpit.

Isn't it an insult from Ned to have his bastard son named Jon, after his childhood guardian and dearly loved father figure, Jon Arryn? That just occured to me. Even a normal decent guy could take that as an insult. I also realised the symbolism in this, since Jon Arryn isn't his actual father (despite how Ned feels about him), and he's not the actual father of Jon. Bastard or otherwise, this is a good bit from Jon's perspective.

I'm not sure of that either. Like, is he going mad? Or is he just so much lacking the respect towards anything? They make him dirty and pathetic in a way they shouldn't. And they certainly shouldn't lack material to have his bad side show up. They're friends. Supposedly. It's not like he wasn't right about Daemon. Rhaenys was just looking for the escape room. He's just Daemon, but fed up with the hate towards the Blacks by his mom. Just those two components. Considering how close Rhaenys and Corlys were to the Black cause in the book, I imagine neither of the two (Rhaenyra and Daemon) had a hand in Laenor's death, and they had serious backup to defend themselves from those kind of accusations. And even if they did it, they had to be very much aware of the consequences of a suspicious death of Laenor. And it was suspicious, altough it was as unsus as possible. What I like is how the legitimacy of the Strong boys is adressed by Rhaenys and Corlys. I imagine the problem will be settled when their two actual grandchildren will be bethrothed to the heir to the Iron Throne and the heir to Driftmark. I expect that they either make up another dragon, and have Alyn Oakenfist try to tame Seasmoke, to be ultimately rejected by the dragon, because, you know, his rider is still alive. The issue with that is another dragon that has to die. OR, they have Laenor die off-screen, and/or Seasmoke being claimed by Addam as proof that Laenor, altough lived on, had passed away at that point.

I remember, when it was leaked that Corlys will be black, we had talks on the forum, and agreed upon the legitimacy of the Strong boys not being questioned based on skintone IF they make the twin daughters of Daemon and Laena white, and we were pretty confident that's what they're gonna do. Well, they didn't. It's not bothering to me, but that's certainly an inconsistency.

And he befriends Tessarion in How To Train Your Dragon style? Other than that, I've seen a comment that the mistakes made in this episode would've been career-ending for DnD, but I disagree. People crucified them for: Arya killing the NK, Daenerys' madness and death, dumping Jaime character arc, and the stupidity of Varys, Euron and especially Tyrion. Other mistakes had been made, sure, but these were the big factors. Later on fans of course analised every bit and pointed out everything, but this is what made S8 crumble. S7 also. I liked this episode the most. But that doesn't mean I don't demand a good solution about Addam and Seasmoke later on. I like that the show surprised me with Laenor, I didn't very much like the way it did, but it's fine, have it your way HBO, you made me like him much more than I ever tought I would anyway. One thing I haven't mentioned in previous threads (because they are becoming overwhelming to read, and thus I don't follow and comment on them) is how ugly Vhagar is. She is supposed to be old, not ugly. We have ugly for Sheepstealer. Random tought: I don't like how Helaena's characteristics are so far: weird, Targaryen, dragonrider.

You can't make Rhaenyra's and Laena's friendship too short if their friendship is non-existent. Smart.

I don't mind it, really. Teasers is all they are. I looked at pictures for the costumes, but you can't really get a glimpse of the plot from them if you haven't read the source material. Some things do come through for us thou, that's just how it is. Well, the sole reason I didn't read the leaks is laziness. Like, I'm not bothered by people sharing stuff about the leaks here (I read all of them), but it felt silly to me. I understand why would someone go for the leaks in our situation, it's just so much not a thing for me that I'm not even gonna spend my time on that, altough I'm hungry for ASOIAF these days, I could especially chew on some Winds of Winter, or at least an update from George. Well, I take it as a sour but huge W. Hope they really do something with the character tho. Later on.

I have high hopes for this upcoming episode. This'll be the setup for the new dynamics between the characters and it matters a lot, I think. Especially with Alicent's children. What's worrying (to me) is that there's still no Daeron. I wonder why wouldn't they show that, when we get the three other children of Alicent. I mean, based on the casual luck I have in life, I wouldn't be surprised the character who's name I choose (simply bc it's cool) is the one single important secondary character who gets cut. Sorry, I may have messed up our timeline.

No. He doesn't touch the horse, nor does he move a muscle backwards because of the horse. It's like he has total control over the animal and knows he won't be hurt in the process.

I'm in the same spot. I like the show, but I feel like there's a need for criticism, since so few people express what I feel like is an issue.

I guess the Daemon stans evade you then. In contrast to that, they adore how far he's willing to go for Rhaenyra.

Well, that's not quite true. He's quick to lose interest, but also talented at, well, everything that matters. He interestingly succeeds at taking Baelon's dragon egg, came back to King's Landing with clear intentions (the only thing he didn't calculate into his plan is having feelings for Rhaenyra, I guess?), then somehow sneaked into the Vale and away as well without anyone noticing, and you're telling me he doesn't plan ahead? And considering the timing of the death of Laenor and Ser Harwin, could it have been executed any better, at any better time? No, not really, there's at least 3 candidates just as or even more likely for the fire of Harrenhal, and Laenor being killed by his lover, with explicitly nothing pointing at Daemon except that his death was benefiting him. If he pulled any of the two off, it was a great success, considering how even suspition of him arranging Laenor's death could've ruined his friendship with Corlys. But that is assuming he was behind either of the two tragedies. Speaking of tragedies, I wonder if Daemon ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plaugeis, the Wise, because he's going everywhere with a sith costume.

I guess we agree on that. I just refered to marrying Rhaenyra before the proposal to the Velaryons is solidified is a much safer bet than tryna seduce her on her engagement party in a huge crowd. And he had plenty of time for that. That's why it doesn't make sense for him to kill Rhea, for the most part. How did it change his approach? I'm not sure what are you referring to. He started out as a scumbag, the story had his good side shine for a few second, and then, at the beginning of this episode, reinforced the idea that he's just a scumbag. A worse one than we tought. And if we don't get to know who starts the fire of Harrenhall, or who pays Ser Qarl to kill Laenor, then I have an answer for you. Add to that arranging the death of lil Jaehaerys, his move towards power with marrying Rhaenyra, and the equation isn't 0 (a grey character) but heavily in the negatives. Now I realise I may sound like I'm being hurt for not seeing the Daemon I envisioned (and continue to envision in the books) on the screen too, but I would be totally fine with anything that makes sense in the light of everything. I don't think Daemon's actions in the past 2 episode fit with each other well enough, and I don't think they will fit well with future critical points regarding him only. Anything would've added levity. Thou I must admit I liked that they never even had sex, which I think is the case in the books too. It's something they could've gotten from George, if they themselves didn't get the supremacist vibe from Daemon.

Well, considering that he always cared about a wife and heirs in the books (ever since Mysaria fell pregnant, at least), we really can't begin anything there. The books are different, but Daemon does free himself here for Rhaenyra. He could've dealt with the whole thing and remarry by the time Ser Gerold Royce shows up accusing him of anything if he wanted to. I guess this is what happens when you rip a character from it's development, that, to be fair, is barely shown in the source material too. Murdering his wife is a sad necessity with no guilt attached to it, but he's unwilling to expend Rhaenyra for his own goals? Sounds crazy to me, that's not how being self-interested should work. And if he wanted to evade killing Rhea, at least make the effort worth it, cause this was entirely pointless this way. What I'm saying is that Daemon as a character could've made much more sense with different portrayals, and this situation wasn't the first time that feeling got reinforced in me.

Him not taking one (or multiple ones) for the team seems unrealistic, not that he didn't want to have sex with her, whoever the she may be.

He didn't seem to be making a big moral dilemma about murdering his own wife, so I'm not sure why wasn't he arranging her death earlier, and widow himself for Rhaenyra. This is not "not putting a lot of thought into things", this is being dumb. Unless, of course, he was just playing around with Rhaenyra, and while doing so, realised he actually wants to marry her. But that still doesn't explain why didn't he rush things once Viserys rejected his 'offer', which is something Joey would figure out too, in seconds.