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  1. SweetPea

    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    Absolutely, and to add to this, it goes both ways. It's an interesting situation where they both dislike eachother, but hate it even more that they are constantly lumped together in the same category. It's a technique used to discredit people using guilt by association. It's simple and it works. Not that long ago Sam Harris was (unironically) wondering if he can talk to someone who was four degrees of separation away from a KKK member or a nazi or something. I can't remember the details of the story, but it was a funny example of how effective this technique is.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    No, and that isn't what I said. I was specifically talking about importing millions of people from wildly different cultures, as is the case in several European countries today. There is nothing organic about that cultural exchange. In my opinion. If you consider that to be organic and natural, good for you. I think it's wrong. (the whole reason I'm mentioning this is in reference to the alt-right being a global movement, not limited to the US) I'm not an alt-right troll, and I do follow a number of alt-right figures, no contradiction there. And yes, some of them are misunderstood (by several posters here), as evidence by the misrepresentations I've pointed out above. It just really bothers me. I don't care if you hate someone with a passion, but don't misrepresent them, or lie about their position.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    Demographic changes can't cause cultural changes in directions one would not prefer? That is certainly true from your point of view. From a right wingers point of view, lots of immigrants (who tend to vote left) are not that beneficial. I'll be concerned when he's actually advocating for fascist ideas. You can keep on worrying that he is a warmonger poisoning the minds of youth while he is out there talking against wars and calling for an end to them. You can do that, you'll just end up looking like a fool. The reason why such concerns are voiced today is because while immigration might be in decline, the demographic changes caused by it are only accelerating. I also find it hilarious that you think illegal immigration is absolutely necessary for cultural exchange, that legal immigration cannot possibly achieve the same thing.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    Dumping millions of foreign immigrants into a country is about as much organic cultural change as genociding a million people is organic demographic change.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    I hope you don't believe the everchanging nature of culture makes it a good idea to put an extremist muslim and a gay man next to eachother, after all culture is malleable and there couldn't possibly be a conflict right? Because that would be the height of foolishness. (Recent events in Morocco come to mind...) Sorry, I'm being sarcastic. The point is, nobody is saying they want to freeze culture completely, they want it to change naturally and organically, not by being thrown together with people from wildly different cultures. Why is that wrong? And why does it make someone a terrible person if they believe that?
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    Different cultures, different behavioral traits. What's wrong with people not wanting to import millions of immigrants who do not share their culture? You are giving too much weight to a single sentence, without even knowing the context. Do you seriously think you can understand someone's worldview from a couple of cherry picked sentences? You can't, you've already misunderstood him and assumed he is pro-war. That's the goal of these articles. Most of the nazi stuff is just memeing, very few people take it seriously, or share that ideology. There are shared elements like taking pride in your heritage, but that's not to say they are one and the same thing. You know what the nazis have also done? Invaded Poland and started a war that led to millions and millions of Europeans killing each other. Not exactly something that white nationalists are fond of. Well it's interesting that you declare them loathsome and detestable without apparenty even understanding them. It's not about putting them into a positive light, it's about not misrepresenting them. Ah, the usual post from you; lots of assertions, without any evidence or argument to back them up. Let's see. Of course I am suggesting that they believe in evolution. Absolutely. Do you disagree? Are you saying that race realism is not at the root of their ideology? The belief that human evolution did not stop after australopithecus, but continues to the present day, and has lead to the different human races and ethnicities we see today? Are you saying the alt-right doesn't claim there are genetic differences between different groups of people? I'm shocked, actually, that you would say that. Climate change is a bit iffier, there are of course idiots who deny it, but it's certainly not wide-spread opinion, or the norm. I welcome your arguments as to why they are warmongers. Nope, I'm not going to make a no true alt-righter fallacy here, I just want to give you a clearer picture, because you seem to have a lot of misunderstandings. And the truth is that the alt-right is a diverse group of people, not clones who follow some kind of dogma. Yes, I know that reality-based community, it's where you make judgments about people based on a biased article instead of listening to what they're actually saying.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    The economical effects of immigration isn't even the biggest reason for the alt-right's rejection of it. I suspect most would still oppose it if you have managed to convince them that it's economically beneficial. This line of argument doesn't work against them. No it's not. This is why you shouldn't judge someone based on a few quotes selected by a journalist. Here's what a quick googling gave me (read the twitter thread): https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1076206842651598848 In short, he considers wars in the middle east insanely stupid, neocon nonsense. Pretty much the opposite of what you would have believed after reading that article. Funny how that works.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    I see. But there is a big difference between the alt right and mainstream conservatives, especially conservatives in the US and the Republican party. There's a reason why it's called alternative right. It is a move away from those things. There are many issues with the Republican Party: a history of warmongering, evolution denial, climate change denial and so on. These things aren't shared, they are rejected by the alt right, which is a global movement by the way, not limited to the US.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    Well what do you mean by "everything is just bullshit"? A rejection of many aspects of today's societies? Sure there is a lot of that, but I don't see the post modernism, especially not the move away from objective reality, truth, human nature etc. Quite the opposite, actually.
  10. SweetPea

    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    Can you share with me the secret of your mind reading abilities? You really don't know what you're talking about, or you're just lying. Peterson's worldview is fundamentally diffeerent from that of the alt right. He is preaching individualism, and tries to discourage everyone from collectivist thinking. How in the world do you reconcile that with white nationalism? How do you explain the endless criticism of him coming from the alt right, being called things like cuck or Juden Peterstein, and the open hostility between them, if they just love him so much? Do you have any argument at all to support your assertion?
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    No, he isn't. If you think that, you either don't know Jordan Peterson or you don't know the alt-right. Probably both. There is a big rift and a mutual dislike between the two. People in the alt-right see him as a stepping stone at best, but much more often, as a gatekeeper keeping people away from white nationalism. Jordan Peterson is all about individualism, the alt right is about collectivism. It's amazing how many people the fake news media has managed to convince that Jordan Peterson is alt right despite the glaring contradiction.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    I'm really not sure if that is a fair characterization. I've yet to see an alt-right personality who doesn't reject post modernism and is critical of it. And the article overexaggerates Nietzsche's influence (or popularity), going so far as to call him their "favorite philosopher". That's just flat out wrong. I've been following several alt-right figures for quite a while now, and Nietzsche is rarely if ever brought up. You don't support a woman for the presidency? How sexist can you be? Just kidding. She has no chance of winning, but she will probably be great material for a ton of funny memes, I can't wait.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    I love how quickly people resort to calling something off-topic when they don't want to discuss it. A post about the US government using taxpayer money to fund horrible things in the middle east is off-topic, but pages and pages of discussion about the Saudis murder of a journalist was not. It's okay, didn't want to go into it too much anyway, I've made my point.
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    You could put it that way, or you could be honest and not dismiss it as Israeli foreign policy. It is US policy, since it is the US citizens paying for it. Why can I not point out that many people spend a lot of time criticizing Trump's wish to spend five billions of taxpayer money on his "racist" wall, but they don't seem to care about the government spending much more than that on Israel's wall? Why isn't the media focusing on the US paying huge amounts of aid to a state that literally shoots children and is constantly warmongering in the middle east? A fraction of that aid could pay for Trump's wall. How is this in any way trolling, and not a very real issue?
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    U.S. Politics: Oh Donnie Boy, the Feds are calling...

    You have a problem with it, but you still choose to focus on Trump's wall. Trump's wall has been discussed and criticized and described as the end of the world non-stop, but I can't remember anyone ever bringing up the huge amounts of foreign aid the US is giving to Israel, even though that one is used to carry out truly horrible things. Let's be honest here, Trump's wall has received far, far more criticism, both here and generally in the media. This isn't whataboutism, nor is it an argument for Trump's wall. I'm saying that if you care about your tax dollars going towards something you find unethical, you should absolutely prioritise stopping foreign aid that goes towards useless wars. The amount of money involved, and the atrocities commited, are on completely different levels. And before you start objecting, I don't really care if you personally have spoken out against it, although I haven't seen it. I'm talking in general. This issue is usually ignored, or worse, dismissed by labeling everyone critical of Israel's actions as anti-semites. (#NotAll)
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