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  1. History of Westeros

    Errors in the WOIAF

      Thanks! I've responded in that thread instead of here.
  2. History of Westeros

    Errors in the WOIAF

      Agree, a biased source or a mistaken assumption is where I'm leaning as well. I suppose I should be open to the possibility that slavery was part of the Andal ancient past, but I really doubt it despite that anecdote from TWOIAF. I'll explain:   Nearly all the kingdoms/realms/nations are static. Most seem to have an early development period where things get worked out, but after that they stay put in terms of ethics, trade, religion, technology etc.     Westeros has been in this quasi-medieval state for eons. Qarth has been the same for eons. Slaver's Bay. The Free Cities. The Dothraki of four hundred years ago are essentially identical to the ones now in basically every way possible, etc etc. There are shifts of power, conquests, political upheavals, and extinctions... but not many cultural changes. Lorath is perhaps an exception that comes to mind, and there are others. Balon/Euron's dad tried to change the Ironborn and had some success, but once he died Balon tried to bring back the Old Way.   In addition, the Andals were less united than most cultures, at least the ones who came to Westeros during the early waves. It's hard for me to accept that ALL the Andals gave up slavery unless it was a major part of the Faith of the Seven. Otherwise, surely some Andals would enslave (such as First Men armies they defeated), and others would not. But there's zero hint that the invading Andals enslaved a single First Man. If it indeed has been part of the Faith since its inception (since they hated/feared Valyria this fits very well, and the ideals of Knighthood are, in many ways, the exact opposite of Valyrian ruling ideals... but that's another topic altogether).   So the Andals abandoning slavery is possible but the more I think about it, the more problems I find. 
  3. History of Westeros

    Errors in the WOIAF

      c'mon now. Not saying you're wrong but you should know better than to say something without posting evidence/proof. :)   Where is this stated? (apart from here). We're told at least a few times that slavery is an abomination to both old gods and new. The Faith of the Seven existed back when the Andals invaded Ib as shown the quote I posted.
  4. History of Westeros

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Standard disclaimer re: "sorry if this has been posted already"   I came across a curiosity in a recent re-listen of the book.   "Others followed the mazemakers on Lorath in the centuries that followed. For a time the isles were home to a small, dark, hairy people, akin to the men of Ib. Fisherfolk, they lived along the coasts and shunned the great mazes of their predecessors. They in turn were displaced by Andals, pushing north from Andalos to the shores of Lorath Bay and across the bay in longships. Clad in mail and wielding iron swords and axes, the Andals swept across the islands, slaughtering the hairy men in the name of their seven-faced god and taking their women and children as slaves."   The Andals don't take slaves. This is only reference to such and there's plenty to indicate the opposite. This is pretty easily dismissed as a maester error rather than an author error, but it does seem to be an error either way.
  5. History of Westeros

    The ASOIAF wiki thread

    On the Daeron the Drunken page: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Daeron_Targaryen_(son_of_Maekar_I) appears the following line: "He also told Ser Duncan about a dream he had. A great red dragon would fall on Ser Duncan, dead, but the knight would walk off alive." The word "red" should be removed. Daeron's dream did not specify a color for the dragon, and that makes it seem like some sort of red/black dragon (i.e Blackfyre) reference. GRRM doesn't seem to have even invented (or fully invented) the idea of the Blackfyre Rebellions until after the Hedge Knight.
  6. History of Westeros

    Errors in the WOIAF

    In addition to SFDanny's comments, I'll add that Prince has several meanings, but it never means "heir". The simplest definition is "close male relative of the royal family" or something similar. Bran & Rickon were Princes after Robb became King in the North, for example. Tommen was a Prince at birth, not because Robert died, etc.
  7. History of Westeros

    Errors in the WOIAF

    Ran, this is almost certainly a longshot, but is there any chance the audiobook will have corrections? Have Roy re-read a few parts? Or add an errata to the end? Seems unlikely but I'm very hopeful. It would be a shame if the audio version was forever un-corrected.
  8. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    Lord Wyman brought up the idea of marrying her to Ser Rodrik/Maester Luwin/Bran, saying something to the effect of "she was born Manderly, perhaps she'd like to rejoin the family". She herself brings it up herself when speaking to those three (she was against the idea). Of course, technically he's not courting a corpse, so that should be past tense. :)
  9. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    That's why they are so famous: time travel. Ulmer is bitter that Marty of House McFly didn't take him along.
  10. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    ...and who says Victarion is a simpleton?!? Check out the poetic depth our great reaver possesses: Near the end, before the smoking ketch was swallowed by the sea, the cries of the seven sweetlings changed to joyous song, it seemed to Victarion Greyjoy. A great wind came up then, a wind that filled their sails and swept them north and east and north again, toward Meereen and its pyramids of many-colored bricks. On wings of song I fly to you, Daenerys, the iron captain thought. Sorry, irrelevant. But couldn't help it.
  11. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    I saw it as a triple sacrifice. Burning boat, Sinking, and exactly Seven girls. But Victarion himself says double: “With this gift of innocence and beauty, we honor both the gods,” he proclaimed, as the warships of the Iron Fleet rowed past the burning ketch. “Let these girls be reborn in light, undefiled by mortal lust, or let them descend to the Drowned God’s watery halls, to feast and dance and laugh until the seas dry up.”
  12. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    Guess I should've looked back. I thought we knew 2 of them did and weren't sure about the 3rd. I think the confirmation that all three broke betrothals to have their love-marriages is new though. That was strongly hinted at, but never said straight-forwardly like that. Definitely doesn't automatically make Olenna a liar then, it could be Aerion's son indeed.
  13. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    No doubt, Olenna seems to be a good example. :)
  14. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    If accurate, we've also learned that all 3 of Aegon V's sons married for love. Which most certainly means Olenna was lying about her being the one to break the betrothal! I wish we didn't have to add "if accurate" to things coming from the app. It seems like everything in it should be in-arguably canon but there are just too many mistakes. I still think it's awesome and fun, to be clear. My complaints are minor.
  15. History of Westeros

    World of Ice and Fire App Update

    Ran, Aenys is listed as being 35 when he died, meaning he was born in AL 7 as his death is listed as AL 42. The app also says Aegon went to war with Dorne 4 years into his reign. His reign is dated at AL 1 even though the conquest was not complete for about 2(?) years. This must be the case though, as Aenys' reign is listed as starting in AL 37 and Aegon's reign is listed as 37 years. So something is off with the timeline on Aenys' birth and/or Rhaenys' death. It looks like Rhaenys dies around AL 4-5, but Aenys isn't born until AL 7.
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