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Why is the Hedge Knight a sub title? Are they planning on making more A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms series just with different knights?

I could see them becoming a version of the Winter Wolves in the Dance 2.0

1 hour ago, Ran said:

I'd like some sort of anthology show, along the lines of the Disney/Marvel What If. "Tales of the World of Ice and Fire" or something, just picking one-shot stories embedded in George's stories about past events without committing to having to create a full series.

For example, an animated interpretation of the "song of the winter rose", about Bael the Bard and the Stark's maiden daughter, etc. Or an animation inspired by Meera's account of the knight of the laughing tree.

Tales of Ice and Fire anthology series would be amazing!

Any thoughts about what the animated series could be about? There's three in development and one is about the golden empire of Yi Ti. In my opinion Valyria, Age of Heroes and the Andal invasion could work in animation. 

Where exactly is legitimized bastards in the line of sucession? If we take the Iron throne as an example, if Robert had legitimized Edric Storm would he be before Stannis in the line? Would he come before Myrcella? 

I have a hard time beliving that king Bran was something D&D did on their own. They had no idea what to do with Bran , they didn't care about Bran they wanted to kill off Bran but George convinced them otherwise. If D&D had chosen whoever they wanted as monarch they would have gone with something safer and more fan pleasing like Jon , Dany or Sansa. 

And don't forget that GRRM told them the ending. If Jon , Sansa or even (F) Aegon ended up ruling in GRRM's ending D&D would likely have done the same. Tbh I don't think they have the balls to change major parts of his ending. 

So major things like King Bran , burning of KL and Dany's madness is most likely from George. While minor stuff like Bronn as Lord of Highgarden and master of coin and Podrick as kingsguard is D&Ds invention.

Though I think D&D did some changes to please fans. Sansa becoming QitN for example I think is D&D trying to please fans. I think it's more likely Rickon becomes the head Stark , but D&D ( and fans) didn't care about Rickon so they gave the role to Sansa instead. Maybe Sansa becomes a regent for Rickon , but D&D didn't like that so they went with queen Sansa instead. I think Sansa will be in a power situation probably as Rickon's regent or ruler in the Vale. 

Cersei could be another example of how D&D has changed things. Cersei was obviously a favorite of them , so they kept her in power instead of using Faegon or book Euron . I doubt Cersei holds KL by the end , Euron or Faegon seems more likely to me. I'm not ruling out that Cersei has a presence in the end , but not as Queen of the seven kingdoms. I think she might be Euron's queen though based on the Forsaken chapter . 

The main differences between the show and the books will be how we get to the end. This is also what D&D has said all the time that the road to the ending will be different . So how Bran becomes king , how Dany goes mad and how KL is destroyed. 

The biggest difference I think will be the WW and magic in general. I have a hard time seeing the WW plot going down the same way in the books. On the show they where portrayed as pure evil , and George has said several times that he dosen't want to write a black and white story. Obviously they didn't know how to handle the magical aspect . 

- I think Bran becomes King . But GRRM will ofc actually make sense of it and execute it better.

- The Iron throne will be destroyed

- Dany will go mad , burn KL and get stabbed by Jon

- Tyrion will be hand , Davos master of ships and Brienne kingsguard. 

- Jon will retreat North and live with the wildlings 

- Arya leaving Westeros

Stuff that will be different:

- I don't think North gets independence , not if Bran is King. There's no point in a free North when the realm already has a Stark king. So I don't think Sansa will be Queen , just Lady of Winterfell. 

- Bronn will not get Highgarden and will not be MOC. No way the Tyrells go extinct , I'm pretty sure Willas Tyrell will rule the Reach , he might be MOC aswell. 

- Gendry 's role might go to Edric Storm . I find it more likely that Edric is legitimized . Gendry might join Arya on her voyage. 

- Jaime will kill Cersei.

- Arya will not defeat the Others and there will be no NK.

- Euron might be the final villain instead of Cersei . 

- I don't think there will be a Night's watch at the end 

- I also have my doubts that the Others will be defeated at Winterfell, I think they will get to the Trident at least. I think the Others arc in general will be different, George's comment about them being Sidhe made of ice and calling them beautiful and unnatural dosen't really line up with how the show handled it. 

In case of a Queen on the IT , will her title be Lady of the seven kingdoms? 

Finally a episode of seadon 8 I enjoyed. Imo this was a pretty good episode with a lot of good foreshadowing for the ending and some shocking moments. So 8/10 . 

Does anyone think Euron might be the final villain? Like how Sarumann had to be dealt with after Sauron , Euron has to be dealt with after the Others. 

6 hours ago, Ser Gareth said:

Just having the books would be something, but considering how poor AFFC and ADWD were, I wouldn't hold out much hope.

And unless D&D intentionally switched up GRRMs story to have Arya being the main instrument in defeating the Others (unlikely) then it's likely to go down a very similar way in the books.

Yeah . But it can't be Arya in the books because of all TPTW/AA/LB stuff , no way those refers to Arya. 

A lot of stuff needs to be different in the books , what happened this episode didn't make sense at all. 

I gave it a 4 . Imo the entire episode was a mess and I am disappointed that 7 seasons of buildup ended with Arya coming out of nowhere to kill NK . 

And the Melisandre shit ?

I have always enjoyed this show and been a loyal fan . But now I think I'm done . 

Hopefully GRRM will give us something better in the last books than this mess. 

3 hours ago, Ser Gareth said:

Nitpicking isn't insightful.  The flaws in the show are obvious and most people (show snobs!) that can be arsed to try and defend the show will freely admit that.

But most people don't try and defend the show because they can't be bothered to argue over something they're actually enjoying (those with an axe to grind will always have more to say and more motivation to say it) and on this forum at least they get beaten down but the very vocal minority.  And they are a minority as clearly demonstrated by the actual ratings in the ratings thread as opposed to the posts (the vast majority of which are negative about the show).

I have several gripes about the show.  But I also understand that the show will never be as rich in content as the books and the visual medium will always struggle with subtlety over a book (e.g. you really have to make things obvious to the viewer).

But my ultimate point remains the same.  AGOT is massively popular and well received so it's not a failure.  And my secondary point is that the show is far from perfect but nowhere near as bad as the majority of regular posters on this forum try to make out.

 

 

This was very well written. 

56 minutes ago, Modesty Lannister said:

there is a huge difference between season 1, parts of season 3 and the rest of the show

Have I said anything else? No. 

56 minutes ago, Modesty Lannister said:

Shall we reduce the forum and English language to that

What?

57 minutes ago, Modesty Lannister said:

seen anyone who claimed "the show sucks" all the time. And also, what does "the show sucks" even

I have seen plenty of this.

58 minutes ago, Modesty Lannister said:

The rest is not their RESPONSIBILITY. See that word? Show runners are responsible for the overall outcome

What does responsibility have to do with what I said? 

1 hour ago, Modesty Lannister said:

That is very far from hate

I have never said you hates the show. When I said " those who hate the show" I was refering to the "ranters and ravers" who are never happy with anything done on this show. As far as I know you are not the typical " ranter" or? 

I have nothing against people who dislike the show. But I have something against those who can't accept any other opinion than theirs , when someone disagrees with them they call them stupid and so on . And it's usually "ranters" that do this.

1 hour ago, StepStark said:

No, it's the other way around: it is terrible, and that's why I'm calling it terrible.

And where did you get the idea that I don't accept that others actually like the show? LOL! I accept it, and @Modesty Lannister also accepts it, obviously. But what does it have to do with anything? Porn is also liked by many people, but it's still poorly writt

1 hour ago, StepStark said:

No, it's the other way around: it is terrible, and that's why I'm calling it terrible.

And where did you get the idea that I don't accept that others actually like the show? LOL! I accept it, and @Modesty Lannister also accepts it, obviously. But what does it have to do with anything? Porn is also liked by many people, but it's still poorly written.

There are those who love the show and the ones who hate it. That the show is terrible is your opinion and a guy who loves the show will strongly disagree . So my point is that there will never be a general agreement on whether the show sucks or not. 

35 minutes ago, StepStark said:

the show really is terrible

So the show is terrible just because you say so?  is it so hard to accept that others actually like the show?

36 minutes ago, Lurid Jester said:

elephants

The GC actually has elephants.

17 minutes ago, Rant and Rave said:

I thought it was 2,000 in the books. 

It's 10,000. You might think of the Windblown who are 2k.

3 minutes ago, Rant and Rave said:

got 20,000?

In the books it's 10k. I guess they just made it 20k so that Cersei will continue as a strong villain.

12 minutes ago, John Hulboy said:

Aegon \ Connington are with them

No it does not. 

8/10. It was a good episode , but definetly the weakest of the season. Worked as a good setup though. 

1 minute ago, falcotron said:

, that supply train is all of the food (and gold, but she was too late for that) that she went there to recover. Is she planning to feed her armies on charcoal?

That was stupid. She was mad at Cersei for stealing the food and then she burns it. Smart move.

15 hours ago, NickStark2494 said:

 

Thinking that logic is unnecessary is a sign of extreme stupidity. Unfortunately, it seems that you are indeed suffering from that affliction

Stupid??? Dont call me stupid  little shit. 

17 minutes ago, NickStark2494 said:

If Jon pulls out an Iphone 7 next episode would you be cool with that ? No, because it makes no sense in this world.

Big difference between this and what I was talking about though. Of course I wont be cool with iphone . But in a world with dragons , zombies and wargs is it  so damn awful that a ship can sneak onto another ship ? 

Everyrthing you listed in your previous post  is nitpicking. If you truly enjoy this show you wouldn't have cared so much about those illogical things. I guess that's the difference between you and me , I enjoy this show and is willing to look beside small mistakes. 

2 hours ago, NickStark2494 said:

 

3. Yeah, he's mad, but his men aren't. Why on Earth would they risk killing their King ? It makes zero sense for them to keep hurling fire at ships that their friends and leader have boarded

How do you know that his men aren't mad? 

2 hours ago, NickStark2494 said:

logic.

This is a fantasy series , does it have to be logic all the time ? When it comes to fiction I dont care about logic. You should learn to separate fiction from the real world.