Alty732 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Does he have one? I know his claim to the vale is iffy, but are those swords not his? If i remember correctly many times people have mentioned they arn't and I am not sure why. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I really dont know. He wants SR gone, he rules in his name so then he is nothing. We ve to see if Harry is so easy to manipulate. And if Sansa is going to follow Baelish blindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 LF got an army of two - Kettleblack and Brune. SR got an army of at least 40,000. And the Riverlands would yield at least 10,000 as well - but they aren't what you'd call LF's best and loyal friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven in Winter Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Oh I believe he certainly believes he does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Little Finger is the only person who continually gains with out losing much. I hope this trends in book 6 and his down fall is in 7 Every other player in the game even if there ahead has lost way more then LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If LF issued a call to arms would he be able to 50k men ? I mean the houses might just decide to only send a token force each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaxis Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 We also have to remember, when we last saw LF and Sansa, it was at the end of Feast. But Dance goes on beyond the timeline of Feast by several months, so they must have been doing something the whole time. Slowly winning over Yohn Royce? Calling in favors from old contacts in Gulltown, etc. most likely. The Vale should be able to field around 40,000 men at full strength. LF probably can't get all of that yet, but at least a good portion of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand old duke of stark Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Little Finger is the only person who continually gains with out losing much. I hope this trends in book 6 and his down fall is in 7 Every other player in the game even if there ahead has lost way more then LF Not Varys. He's playing the long game and surreptitiously, so he has lost nothing except--rarely--control. Right now with fAegon invading and winning (for the time being),Varys is beginning to win too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0bR Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 LF has money and empty titles. No army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Leaving aside the Vale, his titles in the Riverlands are hollow. He has to contend with those that hate the Lannisters for what they have done (the same Lannisters that raised LF) and the Freys that want his title. He is lord of Harrenhal, but it really is a worthless title save for the fact that it supposedly makes him a powerful lord. His castle has been occupied by about four different armies that have foraged and ravaged the lands that belong to Harrenhal so people will have fled the land (hence why Clegane drives captives towards it in ACOK), and Clegane the rest to the sword when he retook it from Hoat. The people are dead or fled, and his lands pillaged. Tywin probably had it in his mind to set a figurehead lord that would need generations to consolidate their power, and LF can probably see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Not Varys. He's playing the long game and surreptitiously, so he has lost nothing except--rarely--control. Right now with fAegon invading and winning (for the time being),Varys is beginning to win too. Varys lost more then LF, He lost a huge asset. He lost his position of power in KL, he can no longer whisper in lords and ladies ears and manipulate them as needed for his end game. Yes varys is still ashed in the game but compared to LF he is behind. LF has pretty much gained everything while losing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Varys lost more then LF, He lost a huge asset. He lost his position of power in KL, he can no longer whisper in lords and ladies ears and manipulate them as needed for his end game. Yes varys is still ashed in the game but compared to LF he is behind. LF has pretty much gained everything while losing nothing. He lost the girl........ And got a new one. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingofSothoryos Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Leaving aside the Vale, his titles in the Riverlands are hollow. He has to contend with those that hate the Lannisters for what they have done (the same Lannisters that raised LF) and the Freys that want his title. He is lord of Harrenhal, but it really is a worthless title save for the fact that it supposedly makes him a powerful lord. His castle has been occupied by about four different armies that have foraged and ravaged the lands that belong to Harrenhal so people will have fled the land (hence why Clegane drives captives towards it in ACOK), and Clegane the rest to the sword when he retook it from Hoat. The people are dead or fled, and his lands pillaged. Tywin probably had it in his mind to set a figurehead lord that would need generations to consolidate their power, and LF can probably see this.LF only wanted the title of Lord of Harrenhal so he would be a great enough lord to marry Lysa, who he had carried on an affair for decades. He didn't need the Riverlands because he knew he could effectively rule the Vale by making it official with Lysa. My only question is if he planned to kill Lysa early or later in the marriage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayer420 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 LF only wanted the title of Lord of Harrenhal so he would be a great enough lord to marry Lysa, who he had carried on an affair for decades. He didn't need the Riverlands because he knew he could effectively rule the Vale by making it official with Lysa. My only question is if he planned to kill Lysa early or later in the marriage? I am sure he was planning on later but she was just crazy and he wanted to sansa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 LF only wanted the title of Lord of Harrenhal so he would be a great enough lord to marry Lysa, who he had carried on an affair for decades. He didn't need the Riverlands because he knew he could effectively rule the Vale by making it official with Lysa. My only question is if he planned to kill Lysa early or later in the marriage? I know.... I even mention it: He is lord of Harrenhal, but it really is a worthless title save for the fact that it supposedly makes him a powerful lord. It gives him status. Someone mentioned that he could raise like ten thousand men from the Riverlands, but this is obviously not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 He lost the girl........ And got a new one. :) he lost her before he started playing :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matoro Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Technically he is a Lord Paramount of Riverlands, so all Riverlands houses should answer his call for arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaxis Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If they wanted to keep the Kings Peace, they would. But if he called the banners, it would have to be in service to the Iron Throne, or they would all ignore it. In addition, LF would need to get some commanders close to him so that his title has more physical weight behind it. But the hold would be tenuous either way. Emmon Frey already doesn't like that he, though being Lord of Riverrun, still has to hypothetically bend the knee to someone like Baelish. Tytos Blackwood was the last bastion of Robb's rebellion and could cause much friction. Walder Frey is... Walder Frey. And many other houses of the Riverlands are all but smashed to bits, their young lords dead and most of their strength gone. What men remain are failing in scraping together a last harvest for their empty and pillaged stores. The Vale is currently of far more interest to him than the Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iona Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 LF got an army of two - Kettleblack and Brune. SR got an army of at least 40,000. And the Riverlands would yield at least 10,000 as well - but they aren't what you'd call LF's best and loyal friends. Dont forget Ser Byron, Ser Morgarth, and Ser Shadrich. It's an army of five! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 LF got an army of two - Kettleblack and Brune. SR got an army of at least 40,000. And the Riverlands would yield at least 10,000 as well - but they aren't what you'd call LF's best and loyal friends. and these two might turm against him. LF has money and empty titles. No army. i don't even think he has the money (in other words he stole it from the iron bank) Varys lost more then LF, He lost a huge asset. He lost his position of power in KL, he can no longer whisper in lords and ladies ears and manipulate them as needed for his end game. Yes varys is still ashed in the game but compared to LF he is behind. LF has pretty much gained everything while losing nothing. he lost his seat in the council. oh wait no big loss I know.... I even mention it: It gives him status. Someone mentioned that he could raise like ten thousand men from the Riverlands, but this is obviously not the case. it bind him and makes him a lackkey and a puppet. Dont forget Ser Byron, Ser Morgarth, and Ser Shadrich. It's an army of five! four or less shadrich is the spider's man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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