Feliciano69 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 ............and hadn't "killed" his mother ? I wondered about this from time to time while thinking about his character ? My conclussion ?He would've been THE WORST Lannister by far, leaving Jaime and Cersei to be practically Ghandi and Mother Teresa. Without his handicap I feel his morality would've been completely influenced by Tywin, who would've never had any reason to hate him, and seeing his ambition and intelligence, he quickly would've stepped over Jaime and Cersei. What do you guys and gals think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr Patter Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 An interesting question, but nearly impossible to answer. A tall Tyrion wouldn't be Tyrion, he would be a tall Lannister named Tyrion. Still, I suspect Tyrion would still inevitably fight with his father over something, probably emulating his Uncle Gerion. I mean, despite trying to groom Jamie to be his heir, Jaime still went his own way and joined the King's Guard. I don't see any particular reason he would be super evil. He would probably be a little further south on the jerk spectrum. Yet, even after the super hard lessons he learned during A Storm of Swords, he still has these moments of kindness: Trying to help Penny, saving Jorah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair's Pantaloons Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 He'd be even more badass on the battlefield. He already cuts through Stannis' host in a blood rage despite being three-foot tall, imagine a man so deadly without the height disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Auntie Genna calls him Tywin's real son, so he might grow up to be just that, and with Jaime in the KG he'd be heir to Casterly Rock without question. He could even wind up married to Sansa. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feliciano69 Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share Posted December 20, 2013 An interesting question, but nearly impossible to answer. A tall Tyrion wouldn't be Tyrion, he would be a tall Lannister named Tyrion. Still, I suspect Tyrion would still inevitably fight with his father over something, probably emulating his Uncle Gerion. I mean, despite trying to groom Jamie to be his heir, Jaime still went his own way and joined the King's Guard. I don't see any particular reason he would be super evil. He would probably be a little further south on the jerk spectrum. Yet, even after the super hard lessons he learned during A Storm of Swords, he still has these moments of kindness: Trying to help Penny, saving Jorah. A very good point, certainly Tyrion is defined (partially at least) by his handicap, and whatever good and bad that has brought upon him. Personally, without his small stature, I would think there would be no moral bound or force to stop him from being molded to his father's desires; just think about it, if Tyrion hadn't been born with the defect, and Joanna was still alive, Tywin would never hate him, and due to Jaime and Cersei's behavior, he would make Tyrion his favorite son and probably teach him everything he knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggle Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 The only what if i tend to think on is. What if Ned lived and made it to the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Auntie Genna calls him Tywin's real son, so he might grow up to be just that, and with Jaime in the KG he'd be heir to Casterly Rock without question. He could even wind up married to Sansa. Heh.If Joanna lived Jamie will not be in the Kingsguard. Tyrion could in the end have a "Hand" position in C.R or be a major force in K.L with Tywinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feliciano69 Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share Posted December 20, 2013 If Joanna lived Jamie will not be in the Kingsguard. I don't think she would've stopped Jaime from getting married away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pellinore Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 What if Cersei had a penis? Would she(he) be Ser Cersei? Would she(he) and Jaime have something in common with Loras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 What if Cersei had a penis? Would she(he) be Ser Cersei? Would she(he) and Jaime have something in common with Loras?She will be Lord of C.R being male and first born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashBreaker501 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 It would be interesting, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I don't think she would've stopped Jaime from getting married away.Sorry not really following. A KG can not marry and I stated Joanna living, which is part of the OP, will mean Jamie will not be KG. So he can marry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 An interesting question, but nearly impossible to answer. A tall Tyrion wouldn't be Tyrion, he would be a tall Lannister named Tyrion. Still, I suspect Tyrion would still inevitably fight with his father over something, probably emulating his Uncle Gerion. I mean, despite trying to groom Jamie to be his heir, Jaime still went his own way and joined the King's Guard. I don't see any particular reason he would be super evil. He would probably be a little further south on the jerk spectrum. Yet, even after the super hard lessons he learned during A Storm of Swords, he still has these moments of kindness: Trying to help Penny, saving Jorah. Well, Tywin would've loved Tyrion and made him his favorite and arranged for him to inherit the Rock after his death. I see no reason at all why Tywin and a normal length Tyrion would come to blows over just about anything. Furthermore Tyrion's empathy for people like Bran would be a great deal smaller as he would not himself be the subject of various discrimination. So he would pretty much be a Tywin v.2.0 (which would be freaking awesome by the way!) And Jaime never "joined" the Kingsguard but Aerys appointed him, Jaime had little to do with it himself - regardless what Cersei and he himself might have thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Marrying Tysha and Aftermath => Women issues Dwarfism => Hot tempered Lannister => Casual Disregard for the suffering of others Any of those leads to a not very nice person, but I still think Cersei is in a league of her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pansushi30 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Then Cersei would have had the added task of fucking another brother & getting him to give up Casterly Rock as well :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Well, Tywin would've loved Tyrion and made him his favorite and arranged for him to inherit the Rock after his death. I see no reason at all why Tywin and a normal length Tyrion would come to blows over just about anything. Furthermore Tyrion's empathy for people like Bran would be a great deal smaller as he would not himself be the subject of various discrimination. So he would pretty much be a Tywin v.2.0 (which would be freaking awesome by the way!) And Jaime never "joined" the Kingsguard but Aerys appointed him, Jaime had little to do with it himself - regardless what Cersei and he himself might have thought about it.Well it could be possible but I doubt Tywinn will just pronounce Tyrion his heir. Line of succession is a really B.F.D in hierarchal socities. It is no way a meritocracy and Tywinn will really need something to pass over Jamie. (Was thinking if Tywinn could do a "soft" Sam with the KG.)Well if Aerys wanted to humilate Tywinn and jam him inheritance it does not manner if Tyrion was not a drawf. With your reasoning he will be doing Tywinn a huge favor.Also people are forgetting "Everything good inTywinn died with Joanna". Tywinn will be less cruel and cold that we know in the series since Joanna will be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ours if the Fury Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 He would be like jamie, a witty, arrogant and vain son of a bitch! but aye i like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Pellinore Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 So many variables to consider. Would Tywin have felt cheated at Joanna's death if Tyrion were a carbon copy of Jaime?Would Tyrion have sharpened his wits if he could wield a sword?Would Tywin have taken Cersei back to CR once Jaime got his white cloak?So many ripples in the pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKitttenGuard Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 So many variables to consider. Would Tywin have felt cheated at Joanna's death if Tyrion were a carbon copy of Jaime?Would Tyrion have sharpened his wits if he could wield a sword?Would Tywin have taken Cersei back to CR once Jaime got his white cloak?So many ripples in the pond.1. I think in the end it was a double whammy with Joanna dying and being a Drawf. I think it will be a cold between Tywinn/Tyrion but not the extremes we got.2. Tyrion did not appear to be bad martial wise in the books. Best I can figure is how well he will be in comparison to Jaime. If he is not than I think pride will want him to go into a area he can distinguish himself in relation. He can also decide it will be the family interest if one is more skill in politics than having 2 great warriors.3. If Tyrion was tall than their will not be a succession issue. At least by the time we got to Cersei Pov she presented as a plan for her to get named heir to C.R. That stated motivation will not be their. If we follow by O.P than Cersei will most likely be in Sunspear bethroned to Oberyn. (Do not see Jamie/Elia. Joanna wanted to get them seperate after the discovered "incident" and I do not see thr advantage of marrying both to the same house). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atropis the Elf Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Tywin wouldn't have been so grim, yet he would have remained ruthless. Oh, and alive.Tyrion would have been a totally different character, not necessarily in a good way.Tyrion would have been the official heir to CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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