Does Jaime Share More Blame...?

[UtherSnow]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Where did that come from? Don't ask me to recall when I last read that book.

There's plenty of blame that roots itself within Casterly Rock's walls. Start with Tywin's offering Cersei for marriage to Rhaegar (her glorious, beautiful Prince). Aerys turned it down. Rhaegar marries Elia Martell.

What's starting to happen there?

It continues when Cersei becomes wed to Robert. Doesn't he say someone else's name in his (drunken) sleep?

There's the root of hatred of Targaryens, Martells, Baratheons and Starks each in fairly quick succession.

Didn't Tywin hope to establish a dynasty that lasts a thousand years. (Uh-oh! That sounds very familiar!)

That's just one House. None are without carrying blame for something or other.

[Dragon88]

This thread is just like the Pycelle thread where the person called him a hero. Jaimie definitely has less blame then Cersei. There is no question about it. First of all Cersei was cheating on Robert not Jaimie. Jaimie always loved Cersei from the beginning. It didn't matter who she married, his love for her would continue but Cersei could of stopped that easily. It wasn't like Jaimie was married. If he was married then its a different story. He had no prior commitments. Only thing he wanted was Cersei's cunt. As for Cersei, she had all the power and options and knew better but deliberately wanted to spite Robert and make sure there is no children of his and still wanted to be the queen. Jaimie would of rather preferred to run away with Cersei but Cersei wanted to be a queen and continue the relationship. Then she murders the king and has affair with Lancel. It didn't matter if Jaimie wasn't there, Cersei would of had affair with someone else. She didn't care. To me throughout the story Jaimie's only weakness and problem is his love for Cersei. If Cersei didn't exist he would of been a very stand up guy. Cersei basically destroyed him.

[The Wolves]

Seriously with blaming Cersei for Jaime's mistakes and him being dumb.

It is not Cersei's fault that Jaime has been led around by his d**k practically his whole life. Jaime is a grown ass man who is responsible for his actions, it is not Cersei's fault Jaime is too stupid to see beyond fecking his sister.

Jaime was a willing participant in impregnating his sister/queen, he was the one who willingly with no questions asked did what Cersei told him. Jaime is by no means a victim of Cersei.

[willofDorne]

This thread is just like the Pycelle thread where the person called him a hero. Jaimie definitely has less blame then Cersei. There is no question about it. First of all Cersei was cheating on Robert not Jaimie. Jaimie always loved Cersei from the beginning. It didn't matter who she married, his love for her would continue but Cersei could of stopped that easily. It wasn't like Jaimie was married. If he was married then its a different story. He had no prior commitments. Only thing he wanted was Cersei's cunt. As for Cersei, she had all the power and options and knew better but deliberately wanted to spite Robert and make sure there is no children of his and still wanted to be the queen. Jaimie would of rather preferred to run away with Cersei but Cersei wanted to be a queen and continue the relationship. Then she murders the king and has affair with Lancel. It didn't matter if Jaimie wasn't there, Cersei would of had affair with someone else. She didn't care. To me throughout the story Jaimie's only weakness and problem is his love for Cersei. If Cersei didn't exist he would of been a very stand up guy. Cersei basically destroyed him.

What a bunch of garbage. What are men, to be ruled by their emotions despite the differences between right and wrong? Jaime could have gone to brothels, taken lovers, done whatever he wanted, as long as he maintained his vows to the Kingsguard. Instead, he's become the worst Kingsguard in the history of Kingsguard. Cersei took many lovers, it's true. But the opposite, Jaime, as I stated earlier in this thread, told Brienne he never loved anyone but him. Now, I hate repeating myself, but damnit man, read the thread. Jaime was a gigantic idiot who made up his own thing about honor and love that had nothing to do with anything but his own selfish emotions. What is love to a Kingsguard? It should never be a factor, ever. Nevermind that incest and oathbreaking are also both sins. At least Cersei managed to physically marry someone and sleep with someone besides her brother. Jaime managed less than that, he held to a convoluted truth that he was entitled to something he wasn't. He may never say the dirty nasty things Cersei does, but that's because he's obsessed with his own self image and doesn't use his head enough for words. Just look at the decisions he makes, they are almost always superficial and poorly thought out. Being in love with his sister counts 10X against him because he doesn't try to find a way out of it.

[Lord Defiance]

Ultimately, Little Finger or Varys would have caused the war to happen no matter what. So while Cersei, Jaime, and anyone else may have been the one to fall for it... The blame is not on the pawns, but the player.

[The Wolves]

Ultimately, Little Finger or Varys would have caused the war to happen no matter what. So while Cersei, Jaime, and anyone else may have been the one to fall for it... The blame is not on the pawns, but the player.

I don't get why Littlefinger and Varys get so much blame for the war.

With or without Littlefinger and Varys there would have always been a war because Joffery, Myrcella, and Tommen are bastards who have no right to the Baratheon claim. Jaime and Cersei were very reckless in their attempts to hide their treason anybody could have walked in on them while they engaged in their tryst or saw enough of Robert's bastard children to put 2 and 2 together and realized that they were his children.

Jaime and Cersei provided the means for a war

[RainGhost]

Imo Jaime is just as responsible as Cersei for the twincest. They both take part, they both have other vows. It was always going to cause a war if it was found out and several people do find out about it.

But as to the actual events that lead up to the WOt5K, Cersei takes more blame. Yes, Jaime pushes Bran out the window, which leads to the Catnapping and the invasion of the riverlands but the Starks and Tullys would rebel anyway once Ned's imprisoned, so the war happens anyway. And it's Cersei who imprisons Ned. So overall, Cersei's more to blame.