Jojen Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Part II There Must Always Be A Stark in Winterfell I believe it has to do with warging, and the idea that we’ve worked through in the Heresy threads (early 100’s) that the wolf and the man are a part of each other. Warging, magically speaking, is the place on the map where the wolf, the man and the Stark come together, a kind of Heaney-esque cauldron where these elements mingle with the past and memory. I think this is why the saying arose, There must always be a Stark in Winterfell (AGOT, 6, Catelyn). The bones are already there in Winterfell. They require a Stark in order to hear them speaking. The old kings are rather surprised to discover Jon in their midst, but he hears them all the same. Very cool essay! I love Heaney too. It would make sense that Jon would be accepted by the bones if he is to become the new King of Winter. Not sure why they would if he has Targ blood in him, unless the bones know more than the living. Have you read Bringing Up the Bones? This reminds me of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Ls Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 sooo..same species as the white walker we've seen previously, just younger, or what? these definitely look more like the book Others12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Of Mid Afternoon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Holy shite... you guys were right. THOUGH... I am pleased to see that the Heart of Winter is a real place/thing. I knew it. Take that all non-believers. You guys were spot on w/ craster... I concede that humbly. What created the king one? Or more like he's the one that sleeps for thousands of years...queen bee esque? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Well, tonight's show was rather excellent. It effectively confirms an old heresy theory. Since this post is being made so early, have some spoiler tags... Others/WW are craster's children. Or else they were taken as babies from other people as well. There seems to be at least 14 of them... Edit: We finally found ghost too.... EDIT: I'm not sure why the spoiler tags are malfunctioning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostragaamus Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 ^^^^^^ I'm still reeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheButcherCrow Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Me an hour ago: Spoiler omfg are we gonna see what they do with the kids?!?!holy shit...Holy Shit !!HOLY SHIT !!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Today was a good day for Heresy. :commie: :commie: :commie: :commie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Of Mid Afternoon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 site is super overloaded. spoiler tags not working. The heart of winter!! w with a curtain of light no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Of Mid Afternoon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I am STUNNED. Still reeeeeeling as well. Wild and crazy shit right there... I do not blame d & d... If anyone is to blame, it is GRRM for not giving us anything close to a reveal of the main antagonist after some 7000 pages. If you look, the castle had the borealis around it... like the curtain of light bran saw in Bran III. Awesome. King other looked like he was wearing a surcoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlan Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Does anyone else feel like the plot in the north has slowed to a crawl? It just seems like they are trying really really hard to make the battle on the wall into the penultimate episode, and in doing so, they are making the plots more obsurd. Deserters from the nights watch keeping 2 direwolfs, 3 children, and a halfwit hostage? Mance has the slowest moving army in history? Wildlings south of the wall enjoying their vacation? It just seems to be a little bit contrived... It seems that coldhands has been cut from the plot completely.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I've completely stopped looking for any confirmation from this show. Maybe it confirmed some theories and maybe not. All I know is they screwed up Ghost completely, and the story north of the Wall bears no resemblance to what I read in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheButcherCrow Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 BC is gonna pass out when he watches this shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexicon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Did anybody else's head sort of explode after tonight's ep? Really can't wait for heresy take on it!Keep up the fantastic work! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexicon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 True Frey,This ain't the books, but I watch it every week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostragaamus Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 BC is gonna pass out when he watches this shit Seriously tonight might be the illest Ice lore episode yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 True Frey, This ain't the books, but I watch it every week!I'm not saying the show's bad, but you stated it very accurately when you said this ain't the books. And it seems to be devolving further and further from the books. Which is why I'm surprised that so many posters on here are still using this show as confirmation for theories. I think we're going to have to accept the fact that the books and the shows are now telling different stories, and there may be parallels between the two but there might not be as well. And g'dmt, Ghost is not supposed to verbally growl, what the heck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Of Mid Afternoon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 @92 ButcherCrow - Agree. It took me like 20 tries to get on here and proclaim my stunned-ness. Crazy crazy crazy. I was certain Rast was headed to wight city. surprising and a bit disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfmaid7 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Its 45 min to Showtime here and yoi guys have me like tripping What the frack happened. ... no don't tell me... ahhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexicon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Oh wolfmaid... It's shocking but right in your wheelhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexicon Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Frey,I try to examine it with different glasses, I can see why they are doing what they are doing for the audience and the medium. That being said, I think it will hug the coast of the books, but venture out once in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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