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(book spoilers) Val?

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Season 5 and Season 6 will be probably be AFFC and ADWD combine together.

Some things may bleed over into Season 6, but it seems pretty clear that they won't spend two seasons on these two books and leave only one season to cover the next two.

To me, Val was just an Ygritte clone. She even said "You know nothing, Jon Snow". It would be ridiculous to introduce her right after Jon has lost Ygritte...especially when they have Tormund as prisoner and can use him as a Val substitute. I see no reason to have her in the show.

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I think if Arianne is out and LS may be out, characters with actual storylines of their own, Val is definitely gone.

Also another clue that she is gone - she's a woman.

Oh, yes. Just look at all of those strong female characters from the books that they've cut out of the show. It's obvious they hate women. I mean, just look at all of the important things that Val does in the books...like stare out of tower windows, or say Ygritte's catchphrase to Jon, or go get Tormund. Yup, major character there.

:bang:

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Oh, yes. Just look at all of those strong female characters from the books that they've cut out of the show. It's obvious they hate women. I mean, just look at all of the important things that Val does in the books...like stare out of tower windows, or say Ygritte's catchphrase to Jon, or go get Tormund. Yup, major character there.

:bang:

Hence 'actual' storylines in my original post mention.

But bang your head against the wall away, maybe it wlil help.

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:bawl: Val..... I want some of that Val and Jon flirting with each other. :crying:

Mel and Jon is just..... :ack: :tantrum:

I have a feeling Jon will blow her off. Looking forward to it, actually XD

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I have a feeling Jon will blow her off. Looking forward to it, actually XD

Those two emoticons are Mel and Jon.

Jon is getting sick looking at her. Mel is yelling at him.

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Those two emoticons are Mel and Jon.

Jon is getting sick looking at her. Mel is yelling at him.

Actually, I would say it's more like the following:

:leaving: :commie:

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She actually doesn't say "You know nothing, Jon Snow."

It's Melisandre who says that, not Val.

She says. In addition, Tormund says "You know nothing" too.

“She seems a sweet girl. You cannot know—”
“I can. You know nothing, Jon Snow.” Val seized his arm.
“I know,” said Jon Snow.
Tormund turned back. “You know nothing.

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She actually doesn't say "You know nothing, Jon Snow."

It's Melisandre who says that, not Val.

Yes, she does.

Chapter 53 ADWD:

"...The child is not clean."

"She seems a sweet girl. You cannot know-"

"I can. You know nothing, Jon Snow."

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Maybe Ygritte told them before she died to say that to Jon.

Yeah, it seems like everyone has to say it to him. Don't know why, at this point it's a bit ridiculous. Ygritte, Melisandre, Val, Tormund...come on, he's the Lord Commander for crissakes. It's obvious he knows SOMETHING by now XD

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I tend to agree - Jon is always under estimated by the people around him.

No one does not realize that Jon has survived a lot in the books. He does know something.

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No one does not realize that Jon has survived a lot in the books. He does know something.

He also knows how to get his ass kicked a lot in the show XD

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He's playing opossum. XD

Season 1- burned hand

Season 2 - beat up by Craster

Season 3 - hit in head by falling ice while climbing, face ripped up by eagle, shot three times with arrows by Ygritte

Season 4 - stabbed in leg by Karl, face anvil smashed by Styr

It seems his face gets the brunt of it. It's like the showrunners enjoy seeing him beat up XD

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Season 1- burned hand

Season 2 - beat up by Craster

Season 3 - hit in head by falling ice while climbing, face ripped up by eagle, shot three times with arrows by Ygritte

Season 4 - stabbed in leg by Karl, face anvil smashed by Styr

It seems his face gets the brunt of it. It's like the showrunners enjoy seeing him beat up XD

They love their Jon. XD

He looks beautiful still.

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