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  1. I think Benjen was killed by the Others but the children prevented him from turning into a wight because Bran sayeth so.
  2. I think both Edmure and Jeyne will be killed during the rescue attempt. I think the BwB will eventually abandon Lady Stoneheart. This failure will be one of the factors leading to it.
  3. Another retcon I wish: Septon Chayle = Hooded Man
  4. I think GRRM didnot have anything like this in mind when he published ASoS. But it is not hard to make this retcon and it might be useful in the future for Tyrion's arc.
  5. Oberyn poisoned Tywin. I hope Grrm retcons this into the story.
  6. A user from reddit visited the Cushing Library and checked the early drafts of AFfC dating to 2004 June. At this moment in the manuscript, there were still chapters belonging to Jon and the other POV characters that were later removed to ADwD after the split. In one of these early Jon drafts, there is a discarded vision of Mel as posted below with a mysterious woman all in red. The rest of the draft chapters reveal that at this moment, Jon was planning to lead a ranging party to deal with the mutineers at Crasters and at the same time, find out what happened to the rest of wildlings that were scattered to the Haunted Forest after Stannis defeated Mance. The question is, obviously, who is this red woman? This woman cannot be Mel. She saw it in a vision. If it was herself, she would know it as it was made clear in her POV later. It is possible that GRRM might have wanted the readers to think that this red woman might be Mel at first glance, only to reveal that she was someone else he set up earlier. That is similar to how he played the grey girl on a dying horse in the published version. But if not Mel, who else might this red woman be? I think I know the answer, especially after considering the possibility that she might be someone else he set up earlier. A Storm of Swords - Jon I > Grandmother, found the scarlet silk from Asshai, dead >> her daughter, old wisewoman, dead >>> her daughter, healed Mance and patched up his cloak with scarlet silk, unknown status I think the woman all in red in the vision was either the one who healed Mance or an unrevealed daughter of her (i.e. >>>>). I am leaning towards the unrevealed daughter being the one. But I don’t think we will see her in TWoW since GRRM removed this part from the published version. However, I believe GRRM introduced a replacement for this character to play a similar role in ADwD and she is none other than Morna White Mask, who is a warrior witch wearing a weirwood mask. The daughter of the old wisewoman healed Mance from a fatal wound that would have bled him to death. The last we saw Jon, he was bleeding to death just like Mance after getting shredded by the shadowcat. This connection is not a coincidence IMO. I think Jon is mortally wounded and needs supernatural healing before long. After being thrown to an ice cell as foreshadowed, the extreme cold will make Jon’s blood congeal and freeze, preventing fatal blood loss. Jon’s connection to Ghost will allow him to draw strength from his wolf and survive longer than what should normally be possible, just like Bran did while he was in a coma back in AGoT. Before it is too late, his body will be somehow taken to Morna White Mask and she will do the magic, most probably by a blood sacrifice. In the original scenario from the draft, I think the assassination would take place during the ranging beyond the Wall and the red woman would do the magic there and then.
  7. In no particular order Night Lamp Eldritch Apocalypse Ashford Theory Yas Queen Sansa Dany heroically sacrifices herself fighting the Others fAegon takes King's Landing A horn that brings down the Wall from the other end of the continent or binds a dragon from the other side of the planet Sandor's story is done and he will live in peace at Quiet Isle Varys is a good guy
  8. The travel to Casterly Rock from Riverrun started in Jaime VII of AFfC. After the column departed, Jaime spent 6-7 days at Riverrun as directly stated in the text and also “more days passed” in this chapter until he got Cersei’s letter. As a result, the last we saw Jaime in AFfC, Forley Prester and his column were at least 10 days into their journey to Casterly Rock. And it started snowing in Riverlands right at this moment. Then Jaime traveled to Raventree Hall for an unknown amount of time and dealt with Lord Tytos. That night he came to Pennytree, reunited with Brienne and disappeared. Then we have Cersei 1 of ADwD where Kevan visits Cersei in the jail and tells him that Jaime disappeared. Then Cersei 2 happens with the walk of shame. Finally we have the Epilogue where they still have no news from Jaime. Moreover, there is no news about Forley Prester and the hostages in the Epilogue. From the moment Forley Prester started the journey to Casterly Rock to the Epilogue of ADwD, a lot of time has passed, at least a month, maybe close to two months. This should tell you how late the Prologue/Jaime/Brienne stuff is compared to the rest of the story and why we need to see them resolved as first thing in TWoW. If nothing unexpected happened and Forley Prester was at Casterly Rock, Kevan could have got a raven from them and mentioned it in the Epilogue. Then I think the column has not arrived to Casterly Rock yet. To explain such a huge delay in a journey from Riverrun to Casterly Rock, we should delve into geography and travel times. The column is taking the River Road. At the passing between the Westerlands and the Riverlands, the River Road elevates to hills and highlands. Golden Tooth is a strong castle that guards this passage in the hills. Robb was able to bypass the Golden Tooth by a goat track in the hills. He defeated the Lannister army at the Battle of Oxcross thanks to this path. From Lannisport to Oxcross, it is three days of hard ride. I am guessing that from Riverrun to Golden Tooth, it should take at least 6 days of hard ride. That is because the distance is about twice as long and the road gets steeper once it comes close to Golden Tooth. For a column of hundreds of people with carts and whatnot, the travel should take 5-10 times longer than a hard ride. Besides, Forley Prester is taking it very safely and he would not jeopardize the travel by forcing unnecessary speed. More importantly, if it started snowing in Riverlands proper, then it should be snowing much heavier up in the highlands where the River Road takes them to Golden Tooth. This snow can easily explain much of the delay. Golden Tooth might have become impassable. Another thing to keep in mind is that Blackfish (who participated in the Battle of Oxcross) remembers Robb’s goat track and still there might be others among the BwB. As a result, they might plan the rescue at Westerlands after by-passing the Golden Tooth through this goat track. Once there, the guards of Forley Prester might be expected to be lower now that he is in his home country with the only road at his back guarded by a strong castle. Therefore I think the Prologue will take place in Westerlands somewhere close to Oxcross. Snowfall and other possible reasons in the Prologue will explain the huge delay. The rescuers will arrive by the goat track of Grey Wind. This rescue operation will naturally be connected to the immediate Jaime/Brienne chapters which are also late in the schedule. From there, TWoW proper will finally be able to start. Since GRRM confirmed that Jeyne Westerling will be in the Prologue of TWoW but she won’t be the POV, most of the popular theories revolve around someone in the column being the Prologue POV, such as Forley Prester, or Ilyn Payne (who by the way is not reported to be in the column) or Sybell Spicer (who has always been my favorite). What if we are looking from the wrong way? What if the Prologue POV is someone from the rescuers? This would still allow Jeyne Westerling to be in the Prologue as GRRM promised. Edmure is already saved from captivity once, during the Battle of the Camps. If Blackfish saves him again, it would look silly. More importantly, GRRM put heavy emphasis on how Jaime is now a changed man who learned from his past mistakes like the Battle of the Camps. He doubled the escort at least twice and he gave strict orders that the prisoners are to be killed at the first sign of a rescue operation. I believe that none of the prisoners will be saved alive by the rescuers. For a POV inside the column, the Prologue will read like a travelogue for most of the time. Then the rescue will start and the prisoners will be killed. The rest is a bloody deathmatch. I don’t think such an arrangement has enough meat to pass a story for the Prologue regardless of the POV character. However, for a person from the rescuers, there is a lot of potential to qualify as a Prologue POV. It is important to realize that the Prologue cannot be considered in isolation. The Prologue has to segue into a certain part of the story. In the case of TWoW Prologue with Jeyne’s confirmed presence, the chapter can only be connected to Westerlands or Riverlands. But the Westerlands option would be starting a new thread while GRRM has already excessive threads on the table. Riverlands is very late in the timeline and using the Prologue to propel the Riverlands story forward would be the best option. As a result, using someone from the Brotherhood or even Blackfish as the Prologue POV would greatly benefit the story and it can naturally follow from there to Jaime/Brienne chapters. Another important thing with this Prologue tease is that GRRM also talked about how he mislikes being predictable. If people start thinking that he has a pattern with the Prologue and Epilogue characters (like killing them for example) he would like to break that pattern. My favorite TWoW Prologue POV is now Blackfish, with the note that he survives the chapter. There is the possibility of a conflict between Blackfish and Lady Stoneheart. There are two missions but which one will have priority? At one hand, there is the rescue of Edmure and Jeyne. “Family, Duty, Honor” as in Tully words dictate that they should prioritize saving Edmure. At the other hand, there is the Red Wedding 2.0 at Riverrun. This option is neither family, nor duty nor honor. It is only revenge. Lady Stoneheart is likely to prioritize the bloody surprise at Riverrun over saving Edmure (based on the foreshadowing that “no man” will take Riverrun from Emmon Frey). This will cause division among the brotherhood, as some are already discontent with Lady Stoneheart’s leadership. Blackfish knows the goat track of Grey Wind through which he can enter Westerlands and set the trap there. Because of the division among the brotherhood, he will not have as much men as he wanted and this will be one of the primary reasons for the failure. When he returns with the survivors, there will surely be an even more heated discussion among the brotherhood.
  9. Abner Marsh lived at a time where most of the civilized world had already abolished slavery. Essos with all its shallow, anachronistic worldbuilding and moustache twirling villains do not equal to the US in 1850s. If GRRM wants to make a direct connection between the two instances, than I would say his history minor is terribly minor.
  10. https://grrm.livejournal.com/107286.html?thread=7324438#t7324438 GRRM said he finished and removed Mercy to TWoW in 2009. https://grrm.livejournal.com/362384.html But after releasing the Mercy sample chapter, he said that the decision to remove Mercy was made "shortly before ADWD was published". https://grrm.livejournal.com/156885.html GRRM mentioned working on the Epilogue of ADwD in 2010, a year after he originally said he removed Mercy to TWoW. But it is possible that this might not be the final version of the Epilogue he worked on. If AFfC is a measure, he might have written several versions from the POV of several different characters. He might have even considered totally different event as an Epilogue. As for Kevan, he seemed to have wildly different ideas. https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/18519cz/spoilers_extended_grrms_20032004_outline_for_affc/ In the AFfC outline before the split, GRRM wanted to have Kevan POV at Casterly Rock "ready for winter". https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/z0x0qp/spoilers_extended_secrets_of_the_cushing_library/ There was also a mystery of missing Kevan which was removed from AFfC chapters before publication.
  11. But the Mercy chapter takes place after the trials. GRRM wouldn't leave all that stuff offscreen. That means he would also have to write a new Epilogue as well.
  12. Think of it like this. If GRRM included the Mercy chapter in ADwD, then he would have to write and include the next Cersei chapter(s) featuring the trials.
  13. GRRM announced that he scrapped the 5 year gap at Worldcon in August 2001 but it is very likely that the decision took place months before the announcement. GRRM could not do such a radical change without thinking about it for long and discussing it with friends and his editors. In that very same worldcon, GRRM also announced that he introduced a new book that would take place right after ASoS and he named it as AFfC, pushing ADwD further away. This supports the idea that GRRM had given lots of time and thought to the idea of abandoning the 5 year gap before the announcement because he was able to name a new book that was not supposed to exist before. In short, although the first mention of Harry the Heir is several months earlier than the announcement of the DEGAP, it makes sense to think that GRRM made the decision long before the announcement. If so, Harry the Heir might be one of the first new characters envisioned after the decision of DEGAP was made.
  14. Brienne reveals the truth to Jaime. They make plans to free the captives and run. While they wait for a proper moment to attempt the rescue, they go over every detail Brienne can remember. They conclude that Brienne never had a real lead on Sansa. Moreover, they piece together that the silent gravedigger at the Quiet Isle is Sandor Clegane and he might know where the real Arya went. The opportunity for saving Pod and Hunt comes when most of the brotherhood goes to join the rescue mission for Edmure as it happens in the Prologue. They find out that Hunt is already executed. Brienne and Jaime manage to free Pod. After that, Brienne and Pod flee to the the Quiet Isle for hiding and also for extracting information about Arya's whereabouts. Jaime returns to King's Landing.
  15. LF wouldn't be concerned about that. If he is able to get a legitimization, he should also be able to get an annulment. What matters most is to have the child in the first place and create a fait accompli. Legality will follow that. There is a historical precedent that Lord Hightower wanted to marry his widow stepmother (Lady Sam Tarly) but the High Septon didnot approve it and declared it as a form of incest. But they did not mind him and kept on living and made six children. 13 years later a new High Septon was elected and he reversed the decision of his predecessor. The High Septon allowed the marriage to take place and their 6 children were retroactively declared legitimate.
  16. Ossifer Plumm and his six feet long cock was not introduced just for shits and giggles. It should be somehow related to the current story. Sweetrobin's unresemblance to Jon Arryn also means something. LF will have Harry killed during the tourney. Soon after Harry dies, LF will suggest Sansa to get pregnant and pass the child as Harry's bastard. Of course LF will want to be the sperm donor himself. This bastard will be one legitimization away from inheriting more than half of Westeros in the long run. And the Realm is full of desperate monarchs trying to win support. Legitimization would not be an issue at all, considering that even Ramsay got one. Perhaps LF might even confess that he is the true father of Sweetrobin while trying to convince Sansa to the act.
  17. Arms of the Kraken was a collection of ironborn chapters published in the Dragon magazine issue #305 (March 2003). It included 4 chapters in their draft forms: Aeron I (The Prophet), Asha I (The Kraken’s Daughter), Victarion I (The Iron Captain), and Aeron II (The Priest). Check the 2003-2004 partial manuscript chapter lists below for the progression of the material. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSQJj1MMr--OsVmCUiIEyWV7jwoBDnFTbA5-1sVbDcZTjUYmKmmuN0ruPApPUEdo98EglqhiKHKRNYJ/pubhtml#
  18. Well, it won't go according to the plans because LF spelled the whole thing out loud to the readers. I think Myranda Royce is the one Sweetrobin weds. Harry is slain during the tourney. LF tries to rape Sansa during which she kills him. Shadrich and 3 Sunderland brothers kidnap Sansa. They bring her to King's Landing and sell her to Cersei.
  19. Not likely. Tyrion would end AFfC at Volantis and would not meet Dany up until ADwD. Whatever the incest is, it should be on Shy Maid or during the Sorrows episode. Perhaps Tyrion would crack Septa Lemore's true identity as well and discover that she is related to fAegon and some of the lessons she gave him in her cabin were very intimate in nature.
  20. Jon was planning to lead the Hardhome mission himself if not for Ramsay's letter. The assassination seemed premeditated, which is why I think they were planning to take Jon out for a while and the Hardhome mission must have seemed like the perfect opportunity. But they had to act quickly due to the change of plans and the assassination ended up being somewhat botched. There is an abandoned draft where Mel had a vision of Jon leading 20 rangers to Craster's to deal with the mutineers. Mel was warning Jon against daggers and false friends just the same. I think the original idea of "killing" Jon was during the raid to Craster's. GRRM dropped that idea and decided to make it during the Hardhome mission. Then he dropped that too and introduced Ramsay's letter.
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