three-eyed monkey Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 So the Pink Letter, which was in fact written by Ramsey, is a total fabrication. Mance, Theon,Jeyne, and four of the six women accompanying Mance have likely simply disappeared and Ramsey is throwing a tantrum. Except it is not a fact, it's an opinion, and unlike fact opinions vary.Would be really interesting if it were Stannis. I don't think he has it in him to be so slippery (it would be beyond devious if Stannis was the one to right it). Also why would Stannis write it? He may need reinforcements..but by the time Jon gets there, it would be too late. I think Stannis has it in him to be devious, and I think that position is well supported in the text. You're right to say that Jon would not get to Winterfell in time for the coming battle, but Stannis' ultimate goal is the Iron Throne, not Winterfell, and he has said on multiple occasions that he needs the son of Eddard Stark to bind the North to his cause. So I do think he has motive. In fact I think he has a better motive than other proposed authors of the letter like Ramsay or Mance, to name but two. That's my opinion. The fact won't be established until TWoW is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuteman Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 On another Pink Letter thread (several in fact) it was stated that GRRM said Ramsey wrote the Pink Letter so I don't argue authorship. I agree with the Dustin thread on reddit (she's a Stark loyalist playing a role) but not that Barbrey wrote the letter. And Big Walder did in fact kill Little Walder no question. Proof is that when the body was brought into the hall it was frozen solid with Big Walder described as covered with his cousin's blood. Frozen blood doesn't run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stannis Inquisition Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Is there a link to Martin's quote concerning authorship of the letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
three-eyed monkey Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Or a link to one of the threads where it was stated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpiginsunspear Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Except it is not a fact, it's an opinion, and unlike fact opinions vary. I think Stannis has it in him to be devious, and I think that position is well supported in the text. You're right to say that Jon would not get to Winterfell in time for the coming battle, but Stannis' ultimate goal is the Iron Throne, not Winterfell, and he has said on multiple occasions that he needs the son of Eddard Stark to bind the North to his cause. So I do think he has motive. In fact I think he has a better motive than other proposed authors of the letter like Ramsay or Mance, to name but two. That's my opinion. The fact won't be established until TWoW is released. I don't disagree at all. Just my opinion about Stannis...I agree he can be devious...forgery just sounds like a different level to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 GRRM added this note when he first published the Theon chapter from TWoW on his website.The chronology, as usual, is tricky. This chapter will be found eventually at the beginning of WINDS, but as you will be able to tell from context, it actually takes place before some of the chapters at the end of DANCE. And by "some of the chapters at the end of DANCE" he means Jon XIII.Knowing this would have saved a lot of people from coming up with crazy ideas about who wrote the pink letter... oh, wait... three-eyed monkey? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 GRRM added this note when he first published the Theon chapter from TWoW on his website.The chronology, as usual, is tricky. This chapter will be found eventually at the beginning of WINDS, but as you will be able to tell from context, it actually takes place before some of the chapters at the end of DANCE. And by "some of the chapters at the end of DANCE" he means Jon XIII. I hope so. If a casual reader is not able to tell it from the context when the Winds come out, not publishing this chapter in ADwD will be considered as a grave editorial mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
three-eyed monkey Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Knowing this would have saved a lot of people from coming up with crazy ideas about who wrote the pink letter... oh, wait... three-eyed monkey? :D If it turns out that GRRM confirmed Ramsay wrote the letter then I am seriously going to have to rethink the theory. :dunce: I hope so. If a casual reader is not able to tell it from the context when the Winds come out, not publishing this chapter in ADwD will be considered as a grave editorial mistake. Very true. And if the average reader cannot tell it from the context then it will also be very worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpiginsunspear Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 It seems like a whole lot has to happen before we reach the furthest Jon timeline (i.e. his death). Meaning we won't see what's going on on the Wall until a good chunk of Winds is covered...Unless he keeps jumping back and forth in the narrative timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 If it turns out that GRRM confirmed Ramsay wrote the letter then I am seriously going to have to rethink the theory. :dunce: Very true. And if the average reader cannot tell it from the context then it will also be very worrying.I was just yanking yer chain ya monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
three-eyed monkey Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I was just yanking yer chain ya monkey. I know it, brother. My "witty" reply just fell flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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