Arya the faceless queen

[hitman47]

HE WILL ASSANISE ARYA SARK

[sweetsunray]

1 minute ago, Lord Vance II said:

I mean, I guess Jon ending Slynt could work, but Renly and Pycelle's deaths had nothing to do with Ned or his family, and just saying someone will die shouldn't qualify as prophecy in this story. I just don't see Ned as having any magic or prophecy to him (other than inherent Starkness).  And I might be in a minority, but I'n holding out hope that Jaime and Varys might live to see the epilogue. The others mentioned are pretty doomed. 

He's pretty much a judge of the dead on a meta-level. It's the first thing we see him do: condemn a man to death. And it's what he does in his last chapter as well: condemn certain people to death. How these people die and by whose hand in particular is less important. And yes that Starkness is the magical part of it. We are told how the swords and the burrial of the bones within the crypts is important to keep the dead from haunting the living. Whose bones are not inside the crypt and without a sword? Ned's. He talks to Arya through the weirwood tree at HH. First she remembers what he told her about the wolf pack, but then she hears his voice and he tells her she's Aray Stark of WF. He visited Bran and Rickon in a dream. And others see his face in the WF weirwood tree talking to them in dreams too. There's something funny going on about and with Ned, despite the fact that he's dead.

I wouldn't count on Jaime let alone Varys living to see the epilogue.

[Golden Eyes]

Grrm put Jaime in the throne when he started writing the story and he even made Jon say that is what a king look slike when he compared Jaime to Robert in the beginning.

Arya wont be a queen in the kings landing but she will be Tyrion's queen at Casterly rock. Think about it. Tyroin has helped every Stark he could and didnt even condem Catlyn to death when she took him to the Eeyrie. Tyrion helped Rob, Bran, Sansa, and amyabe Rickon, I cant remember. Arya wants a flaming sword and she says somethign about a dragon. We know dragons are flaming swords and Tyrion will come to bBravos with My girl Danaerys on dragons, so there you go Arya!

The only one left is Arya and where do whores go? To whorehouses, which is where Tyroin in going loking for his wife. Well, he will find his wife in a whorehouse named noone, but it is Arya. She will reveal herself to him after she beds him and they will be the cripple and broken thing come together that Grrm loves so much and predicted in the begining. I read that Grrm is having Dany be with the dothraki for a while in the next book but then she and Tyroin will meet and chances are pretty high she will go to Bravos where Arya is and that is where Arya and Tyrion will met.

[a black swan]

13 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

He's pretty much a judge of the dead on a meta-level. It's the first thing we see him do: condemn a man to death. And it's what he does in his last chapter as well: condemn certain people to death. How these people die and by whose hand in particular is less important. And yes that Starkness is the magical part of it. We are told how the swords and the burrial of the bones within the crypts is important to keep the dead from haunting the living. Whose bones are not inside the crypt and without a sword? Ned's. He talks to Arya through the weirwood tree at HH. First she remembers what he told her about the wolf pack, but then she hears his voice and he tells her she's Aray Stark of WF. He visited Bran and Rickon in a dream. And others see his face in the WF weirwood tree talking to them in dreams too. There's something funny going on about and with Ned, despite the fact that he's dead.

I wouldn't count on Jaime let alone Varys living to see the epilogue.

So wait that was actually Ned speaking to her in Harrenhal's Godswood? 

"Then, so faintly, it seemed as if she heard her father’s voice."

Some people think she was just remembering his words. I thought it might have been something more connected to the CoTF. Maybe it's a combination of things? 

"For a long moment there was no sound but the wind and the water and the creak of leaf and limb."

And then there are some interesting parallels with this next part, the howl could be coming from Ghost, which Arya hears via the weirdwood tree. Ghost howls in Jon's strange "dream" of sorts where Bran, as a Weirdwood, talks to Ghost. Arya later differentiates that the wolf howling outside the gates of Harrenhal (most likely Nymeria) isn't the same one she heard at the Godswood. 

"And then, far far off, beyond the godswood and the haunted towers and the immense stone walls of Harrenhal, from somewhere out in the world, came the long lonely howl of a wolf."

 

 

[sweetsunray]

23 minutes ago, Golden Eyes said:

didnt even condem Catlyn to death when she took him to the Eeyrie

It would be quite difficult as prisoner at the Eyrie on trial for murder to be the one who judges. He's not a lord of anything, not a hand and certainly none of those at the Eyrie. And in meta-respect he ain't a Stark, who have meta-roles of ruling the underworld. So, the above statement is nonsensical.

27 minutes ago, Golden Eyes said:

Tyrion helped Rob, Bran, Sansa, and amyabe Rickon

How did he help Robb? By refusing Robb's terms? By keeping Sansa a hostage and marry her? By sending men disguised as envoys to free Jaime and kill a couple of the men at RR?

Tyrion helped Sansa once - he stopped her from being stripped and beaten any further. But nothing beyond that. He did not help her escape. He refused an exchange of hostages. He kept the intended marriage to him secret and only revealed it when Cersei had already done so, 15 mins before she was to be wed.

Tyrion did not help Rickon at all.

He only helped Bran by designing a saddle for him and he told Jon to embrace the bastard identity and warned him what the Wall would be like.

[Greywater-Watch]

1 hour ago, sweetsunray said:

Prophecy are what GoHH says, Dany's vision with the undying at the end of the HotU visit, ... It is a foretelling seen in a vision or dream that is relayed.

Foreshadowing are words said or heard or scenes seen that hint at the reader what may be coming in the plot, but which characters in the story think of as unrelated to prophecy. ok, that I understand. Compare for example the scene of Gregor beheading his horse at the tourney and then his own beheading.Gregor has been beheaded, you are sure?

Ned isn't having visions or dreams of the future. He's just talking to his daughter, reassuring her, without actually knowing what her future will be. So it isn't a prophecy, just a prediction based on rational thoughts You must be joking. But he may inadvertenly and unknowingly have predicted correctly, If Arya does marry a king, and it doesn't have to be "the king", but a king as a nickname or symbolical sense, then Ned inadvertently foreshadowed Arya's fate. I start to float.....

Another example: GoHH prophesies the things we see happening in the snow-castle-building chapter of Sansa. But that chapter is full of foreshadowing for the reader of future plot.

Thank you for your effort, but I am still floating....

[sweetsunray]

11 minutes ago, DutchArya said:

So wait that was actually Ned speaking to her in Harrenhal's Godswood? 

"Then, so faintly, it seemed as if she heard her father’s voice."

Some people think she was just remembering his words. I thought it might have been something more connected to the CoTF. Maybe it's a combination of things? 

"For a long moment there was no sound but the wind and the water and the creak of leaf and limb."

And then there are some interesting parallels with this next part, the howl could be coming from Ghost, which Arya hears via the weirdwood tree. Ghost howls in Jon's strange "dream" of sorts where Bran, as a Weirdwood, talks to Ghost. Arya later differentiates that the wolf howling outside the gates of Harrenhal (most likely Nymeria) isn't the same one she heard at the Godswood. 

"And then, far far off, beyond the godswood and the haunted towers and the immense stone walls of Harrenhal, from somewhere out in the world, came the long lonely howl of a wolf."

 

 

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In the godswood she found her broomstick sword where she had left it, and carried it to the heart tree. There she knelt. Red leaves rustled. Red eyes peered inside her. The eyes of the gods. "Tell me what to do, you gods," she prayed.

For a long moment there was no sound but the wind and the water and the creak of leaf and limb. And then, far far off, beyond the godswood and the haunted towers and the immense stone walls of Harrenhal, from somewhere out in the world, came the long lonely howl of a wolf. Gooseprickles rose on Arya's skin, and for an instant she felt dizzy. Then, so faintly, it seemed as if she heard her father's voice. "When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives," he said.

"But there is no pack," she whispered to the weirwood. Bran and Rickon were dead, the Lannisters had Sansa, Jon had gone to the Wall. "I'm not even me now, I'm Nan."

"You are Arya of Winterfell, daughter of the north. You told me you could be strong. You have the wolf blood in you." (aCoK, Arya X)

 

 

Yes, the blue colored quote can be explained as Arya remembering what her father said. The red quote? Nope. That is someone identifying himself as Ned Stark in the present. He does refer to the same conversation, but the grammar is that of someone who's talking to her now via the weirwood about the past. The voice is not just a memory.

 

As for the howling wolf. It's possible she hears it through the weirwood. Since Jon has his weirwood dream of Bran telling him it's good down there in the darkness in aCoK, it's possible Arya's hearing Summer, after all earlier in that chapter she learned that Bran and Rickon are beleived to have been killed and WF burned. Bran's final chapter starts with Summer howling at the serpent rising and/or the comet. Or it's Nymeria near another weirwood somewhere in the RL, hearing her pray and beginning to drive her pack towards HH to help her escape.

 

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That night she lay in her narrow bed upon the scratchy straw, listening to the voices of the living and the dead whisper and argue as she waited for the moon to rise. They were the only voices she trusted anymore. She could hear the sound of her own breath, and the wolves as well, a great pack of them now. They are closer than the one I heard in the godswood, she thought. They are calling to me.

 

"Valar morghulis," she whispered as he died.

When he stopped moving, she picked up the coin. Outside the walls of Harrenhal, a wolf howled long and loud. She lifted the bar, set it aside, and pulled open the heavy oak door. By the time Hot Pie and Gendry came up with the horses, the rain was falling hard. "You killed him!" Hot Pie gasped.

"What did you think I would do?" Her fingers were sticky with blood, and the smell was making her mare skittish. It's no matter, she thought, swinging up into the saddle. The rain will wash them clean again.

 

 

By the time she does escape the wolf pack is right outside the walls of HH, ready to protect and cover her during her escape. In fact in aSoS, some of the Bloody Mummers are after her but the wolf pack takes care of them.

[Golden Eyes]

12 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

It would be quite difficult as prisoner at the Eyrie on trial for murder to be the one who judges. He's not a lord of anything, not a hand and certainly none of those at the Eyrie. And in meta-respect he ain't a Stark, who have meta-roles of ruling the underworld. So, the above statement is nonsensical.

How did he help Robb? By refusing Robb's terms? By keeping Sansa a hostage and marry her? By sending men disguised as envoys to free Jaime and kill a couple of the men at RR?

Tyrion helped Sansa once - he stopped her from being stripped and beaten any further. But nothing beyond that. He did not help her escape. He refused an exchange of hostages. He kept the intended marriage to him secret and only revealed it when Cersei had already done so, 15 mins before she was to be wed.

Tyrion did not help Rickon at all.

He only helped Bran by designing a saddle for him and he told Jon to embrace the bastard identity and warned him what the Wall would be like.

Tyrion could easily have taken Catlyn captive or had her caught when she left her sisters castle by the mountain men he paid off. Tyrion did not do that even though he killed people like that singer for less. Yes when Tyrion is up north and he treats the Starks with respect and helps them or listens to them then he is not acting all pretnious and privledged as he does other places. He shows respect and yes he helps Bran. You may not want ot see it like that but he does. Tyrion is noce enough to Rickon  when he helps by writing the letter. He still helped Sansa. Im not saying they will get married like  people think because she does not love him but he was nice to her. The only one left is Arya who is with the whores in Bravos and all that stuff based on the next book spoiler. I cant find it right now to add but it is with that ladt Black Pearl.

[sweetsunray]

5 minutes ago, Greywater-Watch said:

Gregor has been beheaded, you are sure?

I meant Ned's own beheading. We witness Gregor beheading the horse through Ned's POV. Ned's seeing the foreshadowing of his own beheading.

 

7 minutes ago, Greywater-Watch said:

Thank you for your effort, but I am still floating....

 

[sweetsunray]

21 minutes ago, Golden Eyes said:

Tyrion could easily have taken Catlyn captive or had her caught when she left her sisters castle by the mountain men he paid off. Tyrion did not do that even though he killed people like that singer for less.

No he couldn't. Catelyn didn't go through territory of the Mountain Men after Tyrion's release. She traveled to Gulltown with the Blackfish and took a ship to White Harbor and then rode with Manderly's sons to meet Robb at Moat Cailin.

 

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Whatever happens this morning, Ser Rodrik, it is past time we took our leave. My place is at Winterfell with my sons. If you are strong enough to travel, I shall ask Lysa for an escort to see us to Gulltown. We can take ship from there."

"Another ship?" Ser Rodrik looked a shade green, yet he managed not to shudder. "As you say, my lady." (aGoT, Catelyn VII)

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Golden Eyes said:

Tyrion is noce enough to Rickon  when he helps by writing the letter.

Which letter?

[Clegane'sPup]

On 10/16/2016 at 3:39 AM, TPTWP Timett said:

Everyone knows Arya is in training to become a faceless man also most on this site know the Ned prophecy that  Arya will marry a king. I basically believe that Arya may appear in westeros all throughout the Winds of Winter wearing the face of other characters, and killing through her list like a boss.( I actually believe that in the sample chapter 

To begin, Eddard’s talk with Arya is just that, a father & daughter talk. Not prophecy. The lead in is that Eddard had received word that Bran is alive. Arya asks questions about Bran’s future.

GoT c.25 Arya cocked her head to one side. "Can I be a king's councillor and build castles and become the High Septon?""You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow, "will marry a king and rule his castle, and your sons will be knights and princes and lords and, yes, perhaps even a High Septon." Arya screwed up her face. "No," she said, "that's Sansa." She folded up her right leg and resumed her balancing. Ned sighed and left her there.

As you read, Arya disagrees with Eddard’s spiel and says no, that marrying a king is for Sansa not her.

Arya while at the HoBaW has only worn one face mask and that was of the ugly girl. The rest of the time Arya has been carrying out her HoBaW adventures while looking like Arya. How old is Arya now, about 11 or 12?

Since the beginning of book one through the ending of book five approximately 3 maybe 4 years have passed. My best bet for WoW is that it will encompass less than two years.

Last I read Arya has been sent to a mummers troupe to apprentice. She has not yet flowered. In Martin’s world that usually happens near about the age of 13.

When the kindly man affixed the ugly girl face to Arya he said:

"Mummers change their faces with artifice," the kindly man was saying, "and sorcerers use glamors, weaving light and shadow and desire to make illusions that trick the eye. These arts you shall learn, but what we do here goes deeper. Wise men can see through artifice, and glamors dissolve before sharp eyes, but the face you are about to don will be as true and solid as that face you were born with. Keep your eyes closed." She felt his fingers brushing back her hair. "Stay still. This will feel queer. You may be dizzy, but you must not move."

The point I’m trying to make is that before he attached the ugly girl face to Arya she had to drink a potion. Then came a tug and a soft rustling as the new face was pulled down over the old. The leather scraped across her brow, dry and stiff, but as her blood soaked into it, it softened and turned supple.

To me it sounds like the faces have been cured, like hung out to dry. So, no, I do not think that Arya will be able to wander around Westeros killing people and snatching their faces.

Ah, but what about Pate and the Alchemist, you ask. A glamour. What did Mel tell Mance:

"The bones help," said Melisandre. "The bones remember. The strongest glamors are built of such things. A dead man's boots, a hank of hair, a bag of fingerbones. With whispered words and prayer, a man's shadow can be drawn forth from such and draped about another like a cloak. The wearer's essence does not change, only his seeming."

The Waif has taught Ayra about poisons and potions. Arya learned a bit about mummery. Has she learned about glamours and artifice? Not yet. At the end of the Ugly Girl she is returned to the face of Arya Stark, given the robes of an acolyte and is told that she will go to Izembaro to begin her first apprenticeship. Make note that it is her first apprenticeship. Implying more to come.

Arya does not have her PHD from the HoBaW in FM study. She has her middle school diploma.

[a black swan]

42 minutes ago, Clegane'sPup said:

To begin, Eddard’s talk with Arya is just that, a father & daughter talk. Not prophecy. The lead in is that Eddard had received word that Bran is alive. Arya asks questions about Bran’s future.

 

GoT c.25 Arya cocked her head to one side. "Can I be a king's councillor and build castles and become the High Septon?""You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow, "will marry a king and rule his castle, and your sons will be knights and princes and lords and, yes, perhaps even a High Septon." Arya screwed up her face. "No," she said, "that's Sansa." She folded up her right leg and resumed her balancing. Ned sighed and left her there.

As you read, Arya disagrees with Eddard’s spiel and says no, that marrying a king is for Sansa not her.

No it's not prophecy. But it definitely could be foreshadowing. 

Arya asks 3 questions about her future as well. The correlation with Cersei's scene with Maggy is very interesting. 

To get a better understanding of GRRM's use of foreshadowing and misdirection that he conceals in foreshadowing, I suggest reading this great thread by  @Arya-Jon 

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Last I read Arya has been sent to a mummers troupe to apprentice. She has not yet flowered. In Martin’s world that usually happens near about the age of 13.

GRRM already confirmed Arya would get her moonblood in Winds. 

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To me it sounds like the faces have been cured, like hung out to dry. So, no, I do not think that Arya will be able to wander around Westeros killing people and snatching their faces.

Yup, I agree with this. 

Also I want to note the first Face the Kindly wore when he met Arya. The yellowed-skull with the worm in one eye. 

The priest lowered his cowl. Beneath he had no face; only a yellowed skull with a few scraps of skin still clinging to the cheeks, and a white worm wriggling from one empty eye socket.

"Kiss me, child," he croaked, in a voice as dry and husky as a death rattle.

Does he think to scare me? Arya kissed him where his nose should be and plucked the grave worm from his eye to eat it, but it melted like a shadow in her hand.

The yellow skull was melting too, and the kindliest old man that she had ever seen was smiling down at her. "No one has ever tried to eat my worm before," he said.

[TPTWP Timett]

Maybe prophecy is to strong a word could definitely be for shadowing as DutchArya  pointed out. And the truth is we know little of the faceless man's magic or skills when it comes to wearing faces so anything is basically a guess.  We do know that Arya is receiving training and we do expect to see her use it.

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Greywater-Watch said:

 

[Greywater-Watch]

13 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

To begin, Eddard’s talk with Arya is just that, a father & daughter talk. Not prophecy.

I agree.

5 hours ago, TPTWP Timett said:

Maybe prophecy is to strong a word could definitely be for shadowing as DutchArya  pointed out.

As I said before, it is probably not even foreshadowing anything.

 

13 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

GoT c.25 Arya cocked her head to one side. "Can I be a king's councillor and build castles and become the High Septon?""You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow, "will marry a king and rule his castle, and your sons will be knights and princes and lords and, yes, perhaps even a High Septon." Arya screwed up her face. "No," she said, "that's Sansa." She folded up her right leg and resumed her balancing. Ned sighed and left her there.

If you want to see any foreshadowing in this part of the text, then it is in Arya's response (bold above). Arya's whole character outline up to DWD shows very clearly how stubborn, unruly and determined she is with a tremendous measure of self-control.

 

13 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

Arya while at the HoBaW has only worn one face mask and that was of the ugly girl.

Just to be correct:  I think she wore two faces, after that of the ugly girl she receives another face (read the last page of DWD, "The Ugly Little Girl".

 

13 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

The Waif has taught Ayra about poisons and potions. Arya learned a bit about mummery. Has she learned about glamours and artifice? Not yet. At the end of the Ugly Girl she is returned to the face of Arya Stark, given the robes of an acolyte and is told that she will go to Izembaro to begin her first apprenticeship. Make note that it is her first apprenticeship. Implying more to come.

 

Arya does not have her PHD from the HoBaW in FM study. She has her middle school diploma.

 Yep!

12 hours ago, DutchArya said:

Also I want to note the first Face the Kindly wore when he met Arya. The yellowed-skull with the worm in one eye. 

The priest lowered his cowl. Beneath he had no face; only a yellowed skull with a few scraps of skin still clinging to the cheeks, and a white worm wriggling from one empty eye socket.

"Kiss me, child," he croaked, in a voice as dry and husky as a death rattle.

Does he think to scare me? Arya kissed him where his nose should be and plucked the grave worm from his eye to eat it, but it melted like a shadow in her hand.

The yellow skull was melting too, and the kindliest old man that she had ever seen was smiling down at her. "No one has ever tried to eat my worm before," he said.

I strongly believe that the skull with the worm was a glamour, not a face.

[a black swan]

7 hours ago, Greywater-Watch said:

As I said before, it is probably not even foreshadowing anything.

I thought you still didn't really grasp the idea of "foreshadowing" in GRRM's world? 

 

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If you want to see any foreshadowing in this part of the text, then it is in Arya's response (bold above). Arya's whole character outline up to DWD shows very clearly how stubborn, unruly and determined she is with a tremendous measure of self-control.

It really isn't. You're missing the big picture, willfully so. You obviously have some preconceptions of Arya that don't allow you to see beyond the limitations you've put on her character. The conversation with Ned is foreshadowing that is concealed and uses misdirection. I linked a thread for you to check out with @Arya-Jonexplains it in more detail with other examples.  

I still don't understand why you think Ned was comforting Arya by giving her a future she would absolutely hate. ?

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I strongly believe that the skull with the worm was a glamour, not a face.

Yes, it's a glamour. I included the quote to further @Clegane'sPup point about the FM not using just face skins, but glamours as well. 

 

 

[lidsa]

On 10/17/2016 at 9:36 AM, Greywater-Watch said:

I never really understood the difference

The way I see it, a prophecy has a sense of doom about it. Not just for readers, but for the people in-universe as well. There may be fog and smoke and witches and wizards and an ominous looking scroll and lightning and thunder and all that fun foreboding stuff.    

Foreshadowing, however, is something that you don't immediately realise could be important but, later on, you can go back and think "I knew it! I should have seen this coming!"  

Examples: 
1. Dany seeing visions at the House of the Undying: prophecy.  
2. Sansa "wishing that some hero would throw him[Janos Slynt] down and cut off his head" and then Jon beheads Janos: foreshadowing.  

The difference is that Dany was told she would be seeing visions, while Sansa couldn't connect her thoughts to Jon because she doesn't know what happened, only we readers do.

 

As for Ned's comments on Arya becoming queen: I'd agree that this could be seen as an off-hand comment rather than foreshadowing - if it was the only instance.

But Ned has referred to Arya as a queen twice now:

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"It was all meant for Brandon. You, Winterfell, everything. He was born to be a King's Hand and a father to queens. I never asked for this cup to pass to me."

- Ned to Catelyn, Catelyn II, AGoT

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"You," Ned said, kissing her lightly on the brow, "will marry a king and rule his castle, and your sons will be knights and princes and lords and, yes, perhaps even a High Septon."
- Ned to Arya, Eddard V, AGoT

Of course this could be yet another off-hand comment, but coupled with the fact that Arya's direwolf is named for a queen and that Arya is constantly compared to Lyanna, who is famously linked with a royal prince, builds up a lot of momentum.   
So much so that some readers, when ASoIaF is finished, expect to be able to say "I knew it! I should have seen this coming!"

[Clegane'sPup]

17 hours ago, TPTWP Timett said:

And the truth is we know little of the faceless man's magic or skills when it comes to wearing faces so anything is basically a guess.

No offense I'm using your words to build upon.

I am given a lot of info on the HobaW & the FM. It is difficult to bring it all together because it is spread out through five books. Most of the info is in Arya chapters. It would take one of those to long didn’t read OP’s.

LF saying it is expensive to hire a FM. Mott’s black & white doors. The character Jaqen that Arya frees in CoK c.14. That Jaqen character showing up again in CoK c.30 with his cage mates. The interactions between Jaqen and Arya that happen in CoK c. 38 & c.47. It’s c. 47 when he leaves her with the coin.

Die?" she said, confused. What did he mean? "But I unsaid the name. You don't need to die now."

"I do. My time is done." Jaqen passed a hand down his face from forehead to chin, and where it went he changed. His cheeks grew fuller, his eyes closer; his nose hooked, a scar appeared on his right cheek where no scar had been before. And when he shook his head, his long straight hair, half red and half white, dissolved away to reveal a cap of tight black curls.

Arya's mouth hung open. "Who are you?" she whispered, too astonished to be afraid. "How did you do that? Was it hard?"

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"As well ask what good is life, what good is death? If the day comes when you would find me again, give that coin to any man from Braavos, and say these words to him—valar morghulis."

"Valar morghulis," Arya repeated. It wasn't hard. Her fingers closed tight over the coin. Across the yard, she could hear men dying. "Please don't go, Jaqen." "Jaqen is as dead as Arry," he said sadly, "and I have promises to keep. Valar morghulis, Arya Stark. Say it again."

The man who leaves Arya in CoK c.47 shows up in the FfC prologue. Arya shows up at the HoBaW FfC c.6.

Arya has three POV’s in FfC. She has two in DwD.

If I have made errors, please feel free to correct them.

Arya might very well end up being a queen in a Dream of Spring. She might be about 16 by then. When it relates to WoW I don’t think she will be traveling Westeros killing people and snatching off their faces.

Before anyone pounces on me go back and read what I posted yesterday at 2:42pm.

Martin might very well leave her ass with the HoBaW.

"My wants do not matter," said the kindly man. "It may be that the Many-Faced God has led you here to be His instrument, but when I look at you I see a child . . . and worse, a girl child. Many have served Him of Many Faces through the centuries, but only a few of His servants have been women.

[TPTWP Timett]

2 hours ago, Clegane'sPup said:

No offense I'm using your words to build upon.

None taking you have a obviously greater grasp on the books as a whole than I do and this place is for disagreements. I still believe that we will see Arya take a face we recognize and I think Daenerys is a prime candidate. As far as Martin leaving her in the HoBaW that would be a epic troll. Apologies that I haven't been able to keep up with this thread better. I had next to no work when I started it, but that is no longer the case how it goes sometime. 

[Greywater-Watch]

18 hours ago, DutchArya said:

I thought you still didn't really grasp the idea of "foreshadowing" in GRRM's world?

My apologies, but I am trying to learn, really, I do....

[a black swan]

5 hours ago, Greywater-Watch said:

My apologies, but I am trying to learn, really, I do....

No problem.  

But I'd really love to understand your point of view on why Ned would choose to comfort Arya in that way? I'm interested to know!