An evil girl's dark heart

[Tucu]

3 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Yea isn't that cause Winter is associated with Death and the Others

Look at the way Craster sees the situation. The hungry Old Gods help during winter; the Others are not the danger, the white cold is.

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There had been no attacks while they had been at Craster's, neither wights nor Others. Nor would there be, Craster said. "A godly man got no cause to fear such. I said as much to that Mance Rayder once, when he come sniffing round. He never listened, no more'n you crows with your swords and your bloody fires. That won't help you none when the white cold comes. Only the gods will help you then. You best get right with the gods."

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Dirk speared a chunk of horsemeat. "Aye. So you admit you got a secret larder. How else to make it through a winter?"

"I'm a godly man . . ." Craster started.

 

[AlaskanSandman]

1 minute ago, Tucu said:

Look at the way Craster sees the situation. The hungry Old Gods help during winter; the Others are not the danger, the white cold is.

 

No they dont lol they are part of the problem during the Winter. As stated, the cold comes with them. 

[SeanF]

1 hour ago, AlaskanSandman said:

A court of law may disagree with you

Edit- Sorry, In the U.s. at least that would not fall under self defense laws.

Certainly in the UK, if one were kidnapped and imprisoned, along with others, one would be entitled to use reasonable force to free oneself and them.,

[Tucu]

7 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

No they dont lol they are part of the problem during the Winter. As stated, the cold comes with them. 

That is part of their dark legend. The WW are white shadows casted by magic and Craster sees to reason to fear them. If you look at Bran's vision beyond the Wall the WW do not appear, winter is the enemy to be feared.

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And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks. Now you know, the crow whispered as it sat on his shoulder.

Now you know why you must live.

“Why?” Bran said, not understanding, falling, falling.

Because winter is coming.

 

[AlaskanSandman]

2 minutes ago, Tucu said:

That is part of their dark legend. The WW are white shadows casted by magic. If you look at Bran's vision beyond the Wall the WW do not appear, winter is the enemy.

 

Your trying to argue that the Others are a weapon of the good guys to fight Winter? I dont even know what to say to that

[Tucu]

1 minute ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Your trying to argue that the Others are a weapon of the good guys to fight Winter? I dont even know what to say to that

The white walkers are white shadows. Have we seen other shadows being used as tools? Yep. Melisandre (the "red shadow") casted black shadows to kill for Stannis. As Daario says to Dany:

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"You are fighting shadows when you should be fighting the men who cast them," 

 

[AlaskanSandman]

2 minutes ago, Tucu said:

The white walkers are white shadows. Have we seen other shadows being used as tools? Yep. Melisandre (the "red shadow") casted black shadows to kill for Stannis. As Daario says to Dany:

 

Still not following you. They're not shadows, they're physically real and cant walk through things. While yes, they are likely tools being controlled, they are not like Mel's shadows. And why would they be helping the good guys fight winter? So your saying there is no bad guy other than Winter. The actual season of Winter is the bad guy? 

[Tucu]

5 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Still not following you. They're not shadows, they're physically real and cant walk through things. While yes, they are likely tools being controlled, they are not like Mel's shadows. And why would they be helping the good guys fight winter? So your saying there is no bad guy other than Winter. The actual season of Winter is the bad guy? 

Mel's shadows can cut through steel; the white shadows can cut through steel. Both are shadows that can affect matter. Mel's shadows can't pass through a wall protected by magical spells; the white shadows can't pass through a Wall protected by magical spells;

No dark lord in this series; no good and bad guys; mainly humans fighting for survival during a time of war and magical bad weather.

[AlaskanSandman]

Just now, Tucu said:

Mel's shadows can cut through steel; the white shadows can cut through steel. Both are shadows that can affect matter. Mel's shadows can't pass through a wall protected by magical spells; the white shadows can't pass through a Wall protected by magical spells;

No dark lord in this series; no good and bad guys; mainly humans fighting for survival during a time of war and magical bad weather.

Except the White Walkers have their own language, armor, swords, etc. They are an actual race of creatures, not some temporary apparition. 

[Tucu]

9 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Except the White Walkers have their own language, armor, swords, etc. They are an actual race of creatures, not some temporary apparition. 

The WW do not appear during the day; Mel's shadow also had a sword. The WW language is not much different from the language of the CoTF/Old Gods/ravens:

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which was described as sounding like the song of stones in a brook, or the wind through leaves, or the rain upon the water

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The Other said something in a language that Will did not know; his voice was like the cracking of ice on a winter lake,

 

[AlaskanSandman]

1 minute ago, Tucu said:

The WW do not appear during the day; Mel's shadow also had a sword. The WW language is not much different from the language of the Old Gods:

 

That's not convincing me much. I know the Others are akin to the Children or something of the sort as the Children likely created them, but they are actual creatures. That ghost goes away. Its temporary, they are not. The Others are magic of the Children, the Ghost was magic of Rhllor and fire magic. The two are similar in that Fire Magic was likely born out of the Tree Magic, but they are different and opposites. Like the Black Barked Tree's to the Weirwood Ones. The Valyrians have obviously perversed the magic of the Children. The Others are likely Valyrian in origin, mutilated by the CotF in response to Valyria's perversion of their magic and their growing numbers. How do you fight fire? More Fire? Not how the Rhoynar saw it. They used Water Magic. Opposite of Fire Magic. 

[AlaskanSandman]

14 minutes ago, Tucu said:

The WW do not appear during the day; Mel's shadow also had a sword. The WW language is not much different from the language of the CoTF/Old Gods/ravens:

 

The Others have either gone rogue and no one controls, and the threat to Bloodraven and Leaf is real, or Bloodraven controls them, and the threat is only real for Bran and Humans. 

Is Bloodraven really Brynden Rivers anymore? Truly? Or is that just the tree speaking through him, wearing his flesh as the Faceless men wear human skins and access their memories?

[Tucu]

2 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

That's not convincing me much. I know the Others are akin to the Children or something of the sort as the Children likely created them, but they are actual creatures. That ghost goes away. Its temporary, they are not. The Others are magic of the Children, the Ghost was magic of Rhllor and fire magic. The two are similar in that Fire Magic was likely born out of the Tree Magic, but they are different and opposites. Like the Black Barked Tree's to the Weirwood Ones. The Valyrians have obviously perversed the magic of the Children. The Others are likely Valyrian in origin, mutilated by the CotF in response to Valyria's perversion of their magic and their growing numbers. How do you fight fire? More Fire? Not how the Rhoynar saw it. They used Water Magic. Opposite of Fire Magic. 

Creatures as thin as a sword and that do not break the new fallen snow:

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Sword-slim it was, and milky white. Its armor rippled and shifted as it moved, and its feet did not break the crust of the new-fallen snow.

Basically weightless like a shadow.

[AlaskanSandman]

8 minutes ago, Tucu said:

Creatures as thin as a sword and that do not break the new fallen snow:

Basically weightless like a shadow.

I think your reading into Sword-slim a lil too much as Arya is referred to as slim as a needle, and people are referred to as slim as a willow. 

 

And clarify who is controlling the Others and how are they supposed to help fight the Winter? You remark about no Dark Lords but then turn the bad guy (winter) into something worse than Sauron's evil presence in Lotr. Is there something the Others have to destroy at least to prevent Winter from coming? Is that how the Others are supposed to help in stopping winter? Cause i can't imagine they're gonna physically fight Winter. 

[Tucu]

3 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

I think your reading into Sword-slim a lil too much as Arya is referred to as slim as a needle, and people are referred to as slim as a willow. 

 

And clarify who is controlling the Others and how are they supposed to help fight the Winter? You remark about no Dark Lords but then turn the bad guy (winter) into something worse than Sauron's evil presence in Lotr. Is there something the Others have to destroy at least to prevent Winter from coming? Is that how the Others are supposed to help in stopping winter? Cause i can't imagine they're gonna physically fight them. 

Why do you think that winter is an evil that has to be stopped or defeated? People can only survive it. We can take Craster's hint that he doesn't fear the wights or the WW as he is a godly man and that the gods will help him survive winter.

[AlaskanSandman]

Ok, so how do the Others help Craster survive the Winter?

[Tucu]

Food, shelter and protection. For shelter we have the caves. For food the blind fish, the goats and the yummy wights. For protection more wights guarding the caves and the WW.

[AlaskanSandman]

6 minutes ago, Tucu said:

Food, shelter and protection. For shelter we have the caves. For food the blind fish, the goats and the yummy wights. For protection more wights guarding the caves and the WW.

That makes no sense at all, but ok. The Others are apparently blocking the caves else wise, and seriously, eating the Wights? And the wights guarding against what? Your going in circles. 

[Tucu]

Just now, AlaskanSandman said:

That makes no sense at all, but ok. The Others are apparently blocking the caves else wise, and seriously, eating the Wights? And the wights guarding against what? Your going in circles. 

Summer already ate wights; Bran&co probably too unless you believe that Coldhands really found a pig in the forest.

Guarding against other men; when food is scarce guarding against ungodly raiders would be key for survival.

[AlaskanSandman]

7 minutes ago, Tucu said:

Summer already ate wights; Bran&co probably too unless you believe that Coldhands really found a pig in the forest.

Guarding against other men; when food is scarce guarding against ungodly raiders would be key for survival.

Cannibalism is a sin. And eating rotting meat can't be good for you, even in a fantasy novel