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4 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

It is stated about Cregan Stark's trials:

So four Kingsguard in the city, three elsewhere (Marston Waters in Essos, Willis Fell in Storm's End, no idea about the third one).

But when the riverlords entered King's Landing two days after Aegon's death, they were welcomed by 

Not sure where the fifth Kingsguard suddenly would have come from (and where he would have gone before Cregan's arrival), so one of the quotes seems to be wrong. Either there were five Kingsguard present at the time of Aegon's death (and four Kingsguard sent to the Wall) or there were just three Kingsguard with Belgrave when the riverlords entered King's Landing.

For what it is forth I interpret this:

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Ser Tyland Lannister, Ser Marston Waters, and Ser Julian Wormwood had been dispatched across the narrow sea to seek after sellswords in Pentos, Tyrosh, and Myr, but none had yet returned.

as Ser Julian Wormwood being a KG accompanying Ser Marston Waters and Ser Tyland Lannister to Essos. That's just an interpretation, of course, but it seems to fit. Wormwood would then have later returned to KL with Waters and would have been among the KG who died of the Winter Fever.

On the other hand, it is implied that Fell and Waters are the only Greens in the KG of Aegon III with the empty spots being filled with Blacks. It is implied but not said that those empty spots were caused by Belgrave's execution and the banishment of the other three to the Wall. We don't know if there were five or four to be filled there. But the Wormwood fellow - if he was a KG - could also have died in Essos of some illness or accident or he may have decided not to return to KL.

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23 hours ago, zionius said:

I think it's OK for the 5th KG to be not in the Red Keep when Aegon died, and come back later? So he could escape the trial. 

The point is, he would not have been in the city when Aegon died, would have been there two days later when the riverlords appeared and would have gone again when Cregan arrived. That does not make much sense to me.

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22 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

as Ser Julian Wormwood being a KG accompanying Ser Marston Waters and Ser Tyland Lannister to Essos. That's just an interpretation, of course, but it seems to fit. Wormwood would then have later returned to KL with Waters and would have been among the KG who died of the Winter Fever.

I thought about that guy as well and think it is not unlikely he was a Kingsguard (though I had the very same quote about Aegon's III first Kingsguard on my mind and came to the same conclusion, it does not say that all the other spots were empty. On the other hand it should have been mentioned if there had been another Green Kingsguard who had even been tasked with an important job by his former king). 

But even if Julian Wormwood was the third Kingsguard out of town, he would not have been there two days after Aegon's II death since the guys Aegon sent to Essos only came back later. 

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18 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

But even if Julian Wormwood was the third Kingsguard out of town, he would not have been there two days after Aegon's II death since the guys Aegon sent to Essos only came back later. 

Yeah, that is definitely a mistake. And considering that there is more detail in the discussion of the trials we should assume that, regardless whether Ser Julian Wormwood was a Kingsguard or not, that three and not merely two KG were absent from the capital when the Lads arrived. Those would be Willis Fell at Storm's End, Marston Waters in Essos, and possibly Julian Wormwood also in Essos.

Since both Aegon II's new Kingsguard after his restoration as well as Aegon III's Kingsguard up to the culling during the Winter Fever are basically nameless (we only know of Fell and Waters and possibly Wormwood from the days of Aegon II, but lack the names of Belgrave's brothers who were sent to the Wall). Later we get Ser Regis Groves during the reign of Tyland Lannister who would have been one of the Blacks that were chosen after the trials.

There also seems to be another similar issue as the one you raised in relation to the losses caused by the Winter Fever. We have Willis Fell and two of his sworn brothers succumb to it and it is also mentioned that Ser Tyland never got around to replace Grovis before the Winter Fever hit the capital, yet Gyldayn consistently mentions only two replacements for the four empty spots on the Kingsguard. First Aegon III named Robert Darklyn and Robin Massey and then Peake decided to fire them again in favor of Amaury Peake and Mervyn Flowers.

The other two empty spots are never so much as addressed. Which, I think, can indicate that Gyldayn/George wouldn't necessarily have cared about the second KG accompanying Tyland and Waters to Essos. We learn later of the existence of Ser Raynard Ruskin and the replacements for Waters, Peake, and Flowers (Edmund Warrick, Dennis Whitfield, Agramore Cobb) at which point it is explicitly confirmed that the deaths of Peake, Waters, and Flowers had reduced the KG to four which was then returned to seven by the induction of the three men mentioned above. This means Gyldayn definitely failed to mentioned the new men filling the two empty spots mentioned above. We don't even know whether Raynard Ruskin was one of the original Blacks or whether he was a former Green/Peake crony installed after the Winter Fever and Alys Rivers had killed Grovis, Fell, and two other KG.

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18 hours ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

The point is, he would not have been in the city when Aegon died, would have been there two days later when the riverlords appeared and would have gone again when Cregan arrived. That does not make much sense to me.

He's still in KL when Cregan arrived, and was considered innocent since he's not in KL when Aegon died. 

Afterwards, when discussing the filling in of the KG empty spots, the wording is vague enough to leave room for the possiblity that he might still be in the KG.

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Ser Willis Fell, the sole survivor of the Kingsguard of King Viserys’s time, was made Lord Commander of the White Swords, with Ser Marston Waters as his second. As both men were considered greens, the remaining places in the Kingsguard were filled with blacks

To sum up, though it is definitely bad writting, it's still possible all the sentences are correct, change is not a must.

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2 hours ago, zionius said:

He's still in KL when Cregan arrived, and was considered innocent since he's not in KL when Aegon died

That is not what the text says though. When Cregan deals with the traitors, it reads:

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Three of Belgrave’s Sworn Brothers had been present at King Aegon’s death and were similarly condemned, though their complicity in the plot could not be proved (the three Kingsguard who were not in the city were judged innocent).

When Gyldayn writes about the Kingsguard present at Aegon's death, he uses past perfect. When he writes about the absent Kingsguard he uses simple past, so gramatically at the time of Cregan's judgement three Kingsguard were not in King's Landing. That is not just bad writing, it is clearly wrong.

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1 hour ago, The Wondering Wolf said:

When Gyldayn writes about the Kingsguard present at Aegon's death, he uses past perfect. When he writes about the absent Kingsguard he uses simple past, so gramatically at the time of Cregan's judgement three Kingsguard were not in King's Landing. That is not just bad writing, it is clearly wrong.

Didn't notice the tense:( Yeah, guess you're right.

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In that case I'd go with the more detailed description, i.e. the trials version.

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this was a vessel meant for deep waters, not bays and covers and inland shallows. -F&B, Triumphs and Tragedies

Should be "coves"

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The Worldbook states about Thaddeus Rowan:

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Given a place in 133 AC, following the death of Lord Westerling, and relieved of his office in 136 AC.

But according to FaB, he was relieved of his office in 135 AC.

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