Bloodraven’s Spider Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 As many of you know. George is a massive Dead head.ASOIAF is littered with dead references. Now these can be as simple as the Weirwood, Bob Weir (guitarist) Others are more uniquely woven in. Be it names of roads, characters, etc. But I want to use this thread to use which songs are used and what they can mean for the future of our story. The first one I will start with is one of my favorite Dead songs but is arguably the most misunderstood song in their entire discography: Dark Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQskcr4v0LI Now this spacey psychedelic endeavors brings you to all corners of Westeros but mainly to the ever mysterious man him Dark Star. What is his motives? Why this name? He is the most dangerous man in Dorne- Doran Martell, What makes him so dangerous? Eyes of the World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbW6UWFrCk This upbeat jam always a favorite and crowd pleaser. But for our story it’s the Weirwood visions, being able to see the entire world. Uncle John’s Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsmdKLbJDII A fun folksy type of song that represents the balance of our story (very Bran oriented) Well the first days are the hardest days, don't you worry any more 'Cause when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door Think this through with me, let me know your mind Woah-oh, what I want to know, is are you kind? It's a buck dancer's choice my friend better take my adviceYou know all the rules by now and the fire from the ice Will you come with me won't you come with me Woah-oh, what I want to know, will you come with me? Goddamn, well I declare, have you seen the like Their wall are built of cannonballs, their motto is don't tread on me Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide Come with me, or go alone, he's come to take his children home It's the same story the crow told me; it's the only one he knowsLike the morning sun you come and like the wind you go Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait Woah-oh, what I want to know, where does the time go? I live in a silver mine and I call it "Beggar's Tomb" I got me a violin and I beg you call the tune Anybody's choice, I can hear your voice Woah-oh, what I want to know, how does the song go Come hear Uncle John's Band by the riverside Got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide Come on along, or go alone, he's come to take his children home Woah-oh, what I want to know, how does the song go? Come hear Uncle John's Band by the riverside Got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide Come on along, or go alone, he's come to take his children home Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh Scarlett Begonias/Fire on the Mountain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luAqu8VX5wo George is not shy when it comes to using colors and their symbolism. But Scarlett is a special color (Bloodraven) and we know the importance of fire in the mountains especially north of the wall The Golden Road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjQcCNUva6Y Not everyone taken the kings road, the Gold road It must have been the roses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jAUqnAmegU We all know how important roses are to the story… Cassidy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN-IBxXHdRI A mix of the Stark Children and Jon overall. Dire Wolf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiwHL3bXtT8 I think we all know where this comes into play… I know there’s a few I am missing I will post more as they come to mind. But answer the Dark Star question!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I don't know much about the Grateful Dead but a search got me to something from Winterland 1973. So we have Winter, a blue rose and an eye in a rose. Rightly or wrongly, I now associate the blue roses with the Others and their wights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_Winterland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterland_1973%3A_The_Complete_Recordings "No," Ned said with sadness in his voice. "Now it ends." As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. "Eddard!" she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death. Blue rose might be a play on words. ACOK Jon III The dead man rose to his feet, blue eyes shining in that gashed and swollen face. ADWD Jon XI The worst o' it, before we ever knew he'd died he rose pale with them blue eyes. ACOK Theon I "What is dead may never die," his uncle echoed, "but rises again, harder and stronger. Stand." ACOK Jon II Jon Snow remembered the wight rising, its eyes shining blue in the pale dead face. He knew why, he was certain. ACOK Jon VIII Sleep came at last, and with it nightmares. He dreamed of burning castles and dead men rising unquiet from their graves. ASOS Arya II The white thing lay facedown in the mud, her dead flesh wrinkled and pale, cold blood trickling from her throat. Rise, she thought. Rise and eat and run with us. A blue (-eyed Jafer) flower(s) grew (rose) from a chink (cell) in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness (deceit and death is very frequently called sweet in the books) . . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven’s Spider Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, Lollygag said: I don't know much about the Grateful Dead but a search got me to something from Winterland 1973. So we have Winter, a blue rose and an eye in a rose. Rightly or wrongly, I now associate the blue roses with the Others and their wights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Closing_of_Winterland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterland_1973%3A_The_Complete_Recordings "No," Ned said with sadness in his voice. "Now it ends." As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. "Eddard!" she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death. Blue rose might be a play on words. ACOK Jon III The dead man rose to his feet, blue eyes shining in that gashed and swollen face. ADWD Jon XI The worst o' it, before we ever knew he'd died he rose pale with them blue eyes. ACOK Theon I "What is dead may never die," his uncle echoed, "but rises again, harder and stronger. Stand." ACOK Jon II Jon Snow remembered the wight rising, its eyes shining blue in the pale dead face. He knew why, he was certain. ACOK Jon VIII Sleep came at last, and with it nightmares. He dreamed of burning castles and dead men rising unquiet from their graves. ASOS Arya II The white thing lay facedown in the mud, her dead flesh wrinkled and pale, cold blood trickling from her throat. Rise, she thought. Rise and eat and run with us. A blue (-eyed Jafer) flower(s) grew (rose) from a chink (cell) in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness (deceit and death is very frequently called sweet in the books) . . . . mother of dragons, bride of fire . . . I wouldn’t get to caught up with that. Cuz they have tons of roses in their artwork. Yet Winterland and the venue itself may hold a clue. The cover art for the album Skull and Roses (George loves skulls and roses) is predominately blue with red roses as hair on the skull of a skeleton: looking more weirwood. Now that you mention... it sort of captures the colors of the weirwood trees. White for the trunk. Red for the leaves. And blue for the others and winter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_(album) the weirdwoods are a death god. The faith of the 7 is a death cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Bloodraven’s Spider said: I wouldn’t get to caught up with that. Cuz they have tons of roses in their artwork. Yet Winterland and the venue itself may hold a clue. The cover art for the album Skull and Roses (George loves skulls and roses) is predominately blue with red roses as hair on the skull of a skeleton: looking more weirwood. Now that you mention... it sort of captures the colors of the weirwood trees. White for the trunk. Red for the leaves. And blue for the others and winter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_(album) the weirdwoods are a death god. The faith of the 7 is a death cult. I don't see any death cult in the 7 at all. We have a real death cult in the series in the FM and perhaps their associate organizations. The weirwoods and the CotF appear opposed to the Others who are described thusly: AGOT Bran IV Old Nan nodded. "In that darkness, the Others came for the first time," she said as her needles went click click click. "They were cold things, dead things, that hated iron and fire and the touch of the sun, and every creature with hot blood in its veins. They swept over holdfasts and cities and kingdoms, felled heroes and armies by the score, riding their pale dead horses and leading hosts of the slain. All the swords of men could not stay their advance, and even maidens and suckling babes found no pity in them. They hunted the maids through frozen forests, and fed their dead servants on the flesh of human children." But I do see the weirwood in that image. Instead of roses for leaves which would be sort of weird and confusing, we have hands. The weirwood/bone thing is repeated elsewhere and also branches equated with bone fingers. AGOT Catelyn I At the center of the grove an ancient weirwood brooded over a small pool where the waters were black and cold. "The heart tree," Ned called it. The weirwood's bark was white as bone, its leaves dark red, like a thousand bloodstained hands. A face had been carved in the trunk of the great tree, its features long and melancholy, the deep-cut eyes red with dried sap and strangely watchful. They were old, those eyes; older than Winterfell itself. They had seen Brandon the Builder set the first stone, if the tales were true; they had watched the castle's granite walls rise around them. It was said that the children of the forest had carved the faces in the trees during the dawn centuries before the coming of the First Men across the narrow sea. Beric Dondarian was raised from the dead and his sigil is the lightning bolt. Also see teddy bears and bears are huge in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Bloodraven’s Spider said: As many of you know. George is a massive Dead head.ASOIAF is littered with dead references. Now these can be as simple as the Weirwood, Bob Weir (guitarist) Others are more uniquely woven in. Be it names of roads, characters, etc. But I want to use this thread to use which songs are used and what they can mean for the future of our story. The first one I will start with is one of my favorite Dead songs but is arguably the most misunderstood song in their entire discography: Dark Star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQskcr4v0LI Now this spacey psychedelic endeavors brings you to all corners of Westeros but mainly to the ever mysterious man him Dark Star. What is his motives? Why this name? He is the most dangerous man in Dorne- Doran Martell, What makes him so dangerous? Eyes of the World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbW6UWFrCk This upbeat jam always a favorite and crowd pleaser. But for our story it’s the Weirwood visions, being able to see the entire world. Uncle John’s Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsmdKLbJDII A fun folksy type of song that represents the balance of our story (very Bran oriented) Well the first days are the hardest days, don't you worry any more 'Cause when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door Think this through with me, let me know your mind Woah-oh, what I want to know, is are you kind? It's a buck dancer's choice my friend better take my adviceYou know all the rules by now and the fire from the ice Will you come with me won't you come with me Woah-oh, what I want to know, will you come with me? Goddamn, well I declare, have you seen the like Their wall are built of cannonballs, their motto is don't tread on me Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide Come with me, or go alone, he's come to take his children home It's the same story the crow told me; it's the only one he knowsLike the morning sun you come and like the wind you go Ain't no time to hate, barely time to wait Woah-oh, what I want to know, where does the time go? I live in a silver mine and I call it "Beggar's Tomb" I got me a violin and I beg you call the tune Anybody's choice, I can hear your voice Woah-oh, what I want to know, how does the song go Come hear Uncle John's Band by the riverside Got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide Come on along, or go alone, he's come to take his children home Woah-oh, what I want to know, how does the song go? Come hear Uncle John's Band by the riverside Got some things to talk about, here beside the rising tide Come hear Uncle John's Band playing to the tide Come on along, or go alone, he's come to take his children home Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh Scarlett Begonias/Fire on the Mountain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luAqu8VX5wo George is not shy when it comes to using colors and their symbolism. But Scarlett is a special color (Bloodraven) and we know the importance of fire in the mountains especially north of the wall The Golden Road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjQcCNUva6Y Not everyone taken the kings road, the Gold road It must have been the roses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jAUqnAmegU We all know how important roses are to the story… Cassidy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN-IBxXHdRI A mix of the Stark Children and Jon overall. Dire Wolf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiwHL3bXtT8 I think we all know where this comes into play… I know there’s a few I am missing I will post more as they come to mind. But answer the Dark Star question!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven’s Spider Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Lollygag said: I don't see any death cult in the 7 at all. We have a real death cult in the series in the FM and perhaps their associate organizations. The weirwoods and the CotF appear opposed to the Others who are described thusly: AGOT Bran IV Old Nan nodded. "In that darkness, the Others came for the first time," she said as her needles went click click click. "They were cold things, dead things, that hated iron and fire and the touch of the sun, and every creature with hot blood in its veins. They swept over holdfasts and cities and kingdoms, felled heroes and armies by the score, riding their pale dead horses and leading hosts of the slain. All the swords of men could not stay their advance, and even maidens and suckling babes found no pity in them. They hunted the maids through frozen forests, and fed their dead servants on the flesh of human children." But I do see the weirwood in that image. Instead of roses for leaves which would be sort of weird and confusing, we have hands. The weirwood/bone thing is repeated elsewhere and also branches equated with bone fingers. AGOT Catelyn I At the center of the grove an ancient weirwood brooded over a small pool where the waters were black and cold. "The heart tree," Ned called it. The weirwood's bark was white as bone, its leaves dark red, like a thousand bloodstained hands. A face had been carved in the trunk of the great tree, its features long and melancholy, the deep-cut eyes red with dried sap and strangely watchful. They were old, those eyes; older than Winterfell itself. They had seen Brandon the Builder set the first stone, if the tales were true; they had watched the castle's granite walls rise around them. It was said that the children of the forest had carved the faces in the trees during the dawn centuries before the coming of the First Men across the narrow sea. Beric Dondarian was raised from the dead and his sigil is the lightning bolt. Also see teddy bears and bears are huge in the series. Your a 100% correct except slow down.. In the official artwork of the 7 their is a weirwood in the back of the image in the father. In the HOBAW there Is weirwood present, the door and chairs. However we have never been exposed to the 3rd level (and I believe their is more levels beside that). We know the old gods didn’t migrate east it stayed in Westeros and was adopted by the first men. Why would the FM go out of their way to get weirwood? There are none found in Bravos. Remember the FM help people commit suicide and then take the bodies. We don’t know what the end of their journey is. Down in the lower level is a monstrous Weirwood were they perform their blood sacrifice. The HOBAW is very similar to Bloodraven’s cave in many respects. And being there are levels that go deeper into the earth. Bravos would be the perfect center point to connect Westeros and Essos (COTF/Weirwood network). ”The many faced god” The seven is he is one. 7 different faces. And being one of them is death (the stranger) it’s a death cult. They’re saying even “All men must die” They Claris the god is present in many religions which is why they have many deities in the HOBAW, what do all religions have in common? Death, and a death ritual. The Faith took a different approach. “Are you a god, to decide who should live and who should die? We give the gift to those marked by Him of Many Faces, after prayers and sacrifice. So has it always been, from the beginning.... All men must die. We are but death's instruments, not death himself. When you slew the singer, you took god's powers on yourself. We kill men, but we do not presume to judge them —the kindly man, to Arya Stark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 “I am my own champion, my own fool, and my own harpist.” (ASOS Jon X) Quote “The storyteller makes no choice soon you will not hear his voice his job is to shed light & not to master Since the end is never told we pay the teller off in gold in hopes he will come back But he cannot be bought or sold." ROBERT HUNTER, GRATEFUL DEAD, ’TERRAPIN STATION’ “Words Are Wind...” Quote Hunter's new journal of September 24, 2001, contains this entry... “After dark fell, I sat alone on the roof, fifteen stories high, of a building in Soho commanding a panoramic and unobstructed view of the skyscrapers of midtown Manhattan and the lights of the bridges. I had my guitar in hand and felt moved to sing ‘Terrapin Station’ to the City. While I sang, rain began falling - I stood and edged around to the other side of the roof, still singing, to the corner of the roof facing the World Trade Center, some fifteen blocks away, where the sky is bright with floodlight illuminating the work of the excavation crew. A great plume of smoke continues to rise from the site of the devastation. As I sang, a powerful wind blew up very suddenly - wind so strong it threatened to rip my guitar out of my hands - reminding me of the storm in which I first composed the words I now sang. I wondered if I was involved in some kind of sacrilege, singing like this in the face of all that had gone down - the wind roaring increasingly louder and stronger, as though filled with spirits, as though trying to blow me over, make me stop. I kept singing until the end, repeating the ‘hold away despair,’ expressing all the sorrow I felt for the lost loved ones and for the healing of this magnificent and resilient City. I hope it helped. Helped me, anyway.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven’s Spider Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 18 hours ago, ravenous reader said: “I am my own champion, my own fool, and my own harpist.” (ASOS Jon X) “Words Are Wind...” R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 22 hours ago, ravenous reader said: “Since the end is never told” Hopefully this won’t be prophetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenous reader Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 10:57 PM, Frey family reunion said: Hopefully this won’t be prophetic. Haha. As one of his best readers, you know he doesn’t like closure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 7:07 PM, Bloodraven’s Spider said: Your a 100% correct except slow down.. In the official artwork of the 7 their is a weirwood in the back of the image in the father. In the HOBAW there Is weirwood present, the door and chairs. However we have never been exposed to the 3rd level (and I believe their is more levels beside that). We know the old gods didn’t migrate east it stayed in Westeros and was adopted by the first men. Why would the FM go out of their way to get weirwood? There are none found in Bravos. Remember the FM help people commit suicide and then take the bodies. We don’t know what the end of their journey is. Down in the lower level is a monstrous Weirwood were they perform their blood sacrifice. The HOBAW is very similar to Bloodraven’s cave in many respects. And being there are levels that go deeper into the earth. Bravos would be the perfect center point to connect Westeros and Essos (COTF/Weirwood network). ”The many faced god” The seven is he is one. 7 different faces. And being one of them is death (the stranger) it’s a death cult. They’re saying even “All men must die” They Claris the god is present in many religions which is why they have many deities in the HOBAW, what do all religions have in common? Death, and a death ritual. The Faith took a different approach. “Are you a god, to decide who should live and who should die? We give the gift to those marked by Him of Many Faces, after prayers and sacrifice. So has it always been, from the beginning.... All men must die. We are but death's instruments, not death himself. When you slew the singer, you took god's powers on yourself. We kill men, but we do not presume to judge them —the kindly man, to Arya Stark Do you have a link to the artwork? It's not canon and GRRM has said he allows the artists some freedom of interpretation but it does at least seem to contain hints sometimes. I think that the trees by the HotU in Qarth are weirwoods corrupted by magic. There's also CotF type people in Essos deep in the woods which the Dothraki revere. There's some big hints that there are weirwoods in Essos and I'm guessing that some of this is tied to why Qarth didn't get a chapter in TWOIAF because it was too spoilery for the rest of the series. I admit I'm not following much else of what you're saying. This is a fairly good outline of a cult. The Seven don't qualify, though the Sparrows may be headed that way, but definitely not as a death cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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