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  1. Lollygag

    Will Selyse burn Shireen?

    Don't see Stannis doing this in the least. But lots of things are already in place for Selyse to go this way, though. Jon notes that Selyse only kisses Shireen on her non-greyscale side despite assurances that she’s safe and she’s hardly a loving mother. Selyse gets told that Shireen isn’t safe at all (Val & Wildlings) + Selyse really wants to be a good sacrificy R’hllorist + Val tells Selyse she’s really doing good by Shireen to kill her + Mel tells Selyse she’s really doing good by R’hllor by sacrificing her + Selyse would be saving a lot of lives from greyscale and via sacrificing to R'hllor. Hell of a lot of ways to rationalize it and it lines up with Selyse's doubts about her greyscale as observed by Jon.
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    The NYT one, yes.
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    What? Why?
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    I already noticed that you don't give a damn. But I'll call you out on it anyways. If you don't want to like Schultz or Bloomberg, then don't (not a fan of either myself for a number of reasons). But don't conflate just 2 dudes with the full range of everyone in the country who falls outside the hard left and the hard right.
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    Please don't put words in my mouth, mischaracterize me, or strawman my posts. Your tone is out of line. My point wasn't right/wronging any policy or view as I didn't mention any. It's pointing out a possible cause/effect.
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    I related it back to US politics in my first post with the NYT article which laid out that the extreme party alignments which are leading to a centrist split in other countries is starting to happen here. The articles make it sound like the splits in the UK and Israel (and the other countries implied in the NYT article) were just as unlikely as they seem here, yet they happened, thus it should be considered that they can happen here, too.
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    http://time.com/5534328/benjamin-netanyahu-challengers-unite-israel-elections/
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    US Politics: Make Thread Titles Great Again

    On Harris' Jamaica/weed statement: It makes him look like a jerk to his own daughter and like those people who shame their own kids on social media (i.e., in front of the whole world) to punish them and it undermines the point he's making. He has a legitimate beef with what she said, but he should have called her in private and talked to her about it and asked her to say more positive things about Jamaicans in the future. It makes her look sympathetic to me even if it wasn't the best thing to say. It's to her credit that she's achieved what she has with a parent like that. He's awful. Subject change... https://www.thedailybeast.com/three-british-conservative-lawmakers-resign-to-join-labour-breakaway?ref=wrap https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/opinion/four-party-america-politics.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage The new binary is quickly moving to Idealist vs Pragmatist.
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    Shade of the evening.

    Dany's path in the Palace of Dust makes a lot more sense if she's actually inside a tree. Right after worm Pyat fades away... (Sorry for repeating myself in quotes, I'm pointing out different points in the same passages) Always taking the door of one side leads one in a circle, a circle which goes up. Also when one is in a tower or tree, left side doors and right side doors become very significant depending on which way you're going. "When you enter, you will find yourself in a room with four doors: the one you have come through and three others. Take the door to your right. Each time, the door to your right. If you should come upon a stairwell, climb. Never go down, and never take any door but the first door to your right." "The door to my right," Dany repeated. "I understand. And when I leave, the opposite?" "By no means," Pyat Pree said. "Leaving and coming, it is the same. Always up. Always the door to your right. Other doors may open to you. Within, you will see many things that disturb you. Visions of loveliness and visions of horror, wonders and terrors. Sights and sounds of days gone by and days to come and days that never were. Dwellers and servitors may speak to you as you go. Answer or ignore them as you choose, but enter no room until you reach the audience chamber." ... It seemed as though she walked for another hour before the long hall finally ended in a steep stone stair, descending into darkness. Every door, open or closed, had been to her left. Dany looked back behind her. The torches were going out, she realized with a start of fear. Perhaps twenty still burned. Thirty at most. One more guttered out even as she watched, and the darkness came a little farther down the hall, creeping toward her. And as she listened it seemed as if she heard something else coming, shuffling and dragging itself slowly along the faded carpet. Terror filled her. She could not go back and she was afraid to stay here, but how could she go on? There was no door on her right, and the steps went down, not up. Yet another torch went out as she stood pondering, and the sounds grew faintly louder. Drogon's long neck snaked out and he opened his mouth to scream, steam rising from between his teeth. He hears it too. Dany turned to the blank wall once more, but there was nothing. Could there be a secret door, a door I cannot see? Another torch went out. Another. The first door on the right, he said, always the first door on the right. The first door on the right . . . It came to her suddenly. . . . is the last door on the left! She flung herself through. Beyond was another small room with four doors. To the right she went, and to the right, and to the right, and to the right, and to the right, and to the right, and to the right, until she was dizzy and out of breath once more. When she stopped, she found herself in yet another dank stone chamber . . . but this time the door opposite was round, shaped like an open mouth, and Pyat Pree stood outside in the grass beneath the trees. "Can it be that the Undying are done with you so soon?" he asked in disbelief when he saw her. ... Dany left him behind, entering a stairwell. She began to climb. Before long her legs were aching. She recalled that the House of the Undying Ones had seemed to have no towers. Finally the stair opened. To her right, a set of wide wooden doors had been thrown open. They were fashioned of ebony and weirwood, the black and white grains swirling and twisting in strange interwoven patterns. They were very beautiful, yet somehow frightening. The blood of the dragon must not be afraid. Dany said a quick prayer, begging the Warrior for courage and the Dothraki horse god for strength. She made herself walk forward.
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    Shade of the evening.

    Pyat and the Undying didn't have good intentions towards Dany. I initially thought the worm-like Pyat meant to ensure she was lost, but now I'm not so sure. This Pyat tries to guide Dany away right before she encounters the trap. ACOK Daenerys IV When she stopped, she found herself in yet another dank stone chamber . . . but this time the door opposite was round, shaped like an open mouth, and Pyat Pree stood outside in the grass beneath the trees. "Can it be that the Undying are done with you so soon?" he asked in disbelief when he saw her. "So soon?" she said, confused. "I've walked for hours, and still not found them." "You have taken a wrong turning. Come, I will lead you." Pyat Pree held out his hand. Dany hesitated. There was a door to her right, still closed . . . "That's not the way," Pyat Pree said firmly, his blue lips prim with disapproval. "The Undying Ones will not wait forever." "Our little lives are no more than a flicker of a moth's wing to them," Dany said, remembering. "Stubborn child. You will be lost, and never found." She walked away from him, to the door on the right. "No," Pyat screeched. "No, to me, come to me, to meeeeeee." His face crumbled inward, changing to something pale and wormlike. Dany left him behind, entering a stairwell. She began to climb. Before long her legs were aching. She recalled that the House of the Undying Ones had seemed to have no towers. Dany left him behind, entering a stairwell. She began to climb. Before long her legs were aching. She recalled that the House of the Undying Ones had seemed to have no towers. Finally the stair opened. To her right, a set of wide wooden doors had been thrown open. They were fashioned of ebony and weirwood, the black and white grains swirling and twisting in strange interwoven patterns. They were very beautiful, yet somehow frightening. The blood of the dragon must not be afraid. Dany said a quick prayer, begging the Warrior for courage and the Dothraki horse god for strength. She made herself walk forward. ADWD Bran II The child went in front with the torch in hand, her cloak of leaves whispering behind her, but the passage turned so much that Bran soon lost sight of her. Then the only light was what was reflected off the passage walls. After they had gone down a little, the cave divided, but the left branch was dark as pitch, so even Hodor knew to follow the moving torch to the right. The way the shadows shifted made it seem as if the walls were moving too. Bran saw great white snakes slithering in and out of the earth around him, and his heart thumped in fear. He wondered if they had blundered into a nest of milk snakes or giant grave worms, soft and pale and squishy. Grave worms have teeth. ADWD Bran III The sight of him still frightened Bran—the weirwood roots snaking in and out of his withered flesh, the mushrooms sprouting from his cheeks, the white wooden worm that grew from the socket where one eye had been. He liked it better when the torches were put out. In the dark he could pretend that it was the three-eyed crow who whispered to him and not some grisly talking corpse.
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    Another Look at Dany's HOTU visions

    Possible crackpot explanation: In the Shade of the Evening thread, I pointed out the possibility that the trees in Qarth are Westeros-style weirwoods poisoned by sorcery to get around the wired connection and create a wireless connection. That Dany would be shown a beautiful woman (the land itself) being ravaged by little men (kings and maybe implied men behind the kings) and Robb specifically being shown (Robb/direwolf looks to Dany in an appeal for help) points to an old god perspective. Dany is then shown Willem Darry as an attempt to lure Dany to stay. We then see Aerys threatening to burn people. We're told in abstract that he burned people, but the one incident which stands out to the reader is the incident with Rickard and Brandon. Then she sees Rhaegar's scene and this is a line to the Lyanna incident which some speculate was because of her Stark blood.
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    Another Look at Dany's HOTU visions

    I like the find with Aerys. It's hard to connect this to the pyromancers as we have so few details about them (Hallyne has damp hands) but your find has me thinking about other manipulators working behind the curtains. I do think its referring to the War of the 5 Kings and what it's doing to Westeros, but I also think multiple meanings are more common than we think. The rat-like features of smallness, pointed faces and pink hands are very specific. So maybe consider small (common?) men who are lesser hands to the Kings who have rat-ish agendas which push the Kings to their decisions with Aerys being the extreme case to make the point? Aerys' pyromancers might well be in this group. Maesters are often described as having pink hands and there are some conspiracies out there about Citadel plots. Pink hands are red (bloody) hands-lite. Some speculate that Varys works for the Citadel and if you believe his anti-magic statement, this lines up with an alliance with the Citadel, and is contrary to supporting uber-magical Targs. Freys definitely come to mind, but at this point in the story at least, it's tough to connect them. But Varys' soft hands are mentioned all of the time along with LF's pointed, goateed face and both are small/common and rat-like. Notice the kings, but take a really close look to see those manipulating them. Edit: Hallyne has soft, damp hands just like Varys.
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    Poll: Is Quentyn, Called 'Frog', Still Alive?

    But Disco lives! It's undergoing a revival through Daft Punk, Bruno Mars, Pharrell, Justin Timberlake, the Weeknd and others. The guitarist from Chic plays on Daft Punk's Get Lucky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5EofwRzit0 Another Daft Punk disco call out with the guitarist from Chic. Lose Yourself to (Disco) Dance. Check the disco/Soul Train call outs in the video. There's an unofficial video where it's set to clips of Soul Train with nearly 82 million views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF-kLy44Hls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXv37PFcAQ The Weeknd's Can't Feel My Face is heavy with disco funk riffs and the video has lots of 70s call outs including that disco ball. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEI4qSrkPAs Bruno Mars' very disco-y Treasure has an equally disco-y video heavily influenced by the Trammps' Disco Inferno and Earth, Wind and Fire's September and Let's Groove Tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvuNsRccVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrle0x_DHBM Bruno also channels disco heavily (especially KC and the Sunshine Band) in Uptown Funk and credits it with his very 70s video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0
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    Shade of the evening.

    Dany sees Pyat step out from under the trees and asks if he's been there all along. It likens Pyat to BR, Bran, etc. Dany asking this is a prompt to the reader to ask this same question in a more serious way. Maybe he really is there all of the time. ACOK Daenerys IV "Queen Daenerys must enter alone, or not at all." The warlock Pyat Pree stepped out from under the trees. Has he been there all along? Dany wondered. "Should she turn away now, the doors of wisdom shall be closed to her forevermore." Pyat has blue lips and is implied to live under the trees permanently but is also present in a more real way, though not always so real as a normal person. The Undying are much bluer than Pyat and seem unable to leave, and don't function like Pyat. The Undying strike me as what Pyat will become like Bran will become like BR and the rest. Does the varying blueness indicate the level of connection to the trees like the thoroughness of connection to the roots? Only Pyat's mouth is blue, mouth as a gateway to the trees. But the Undying are all blue as BR is thoroughly run through by roots. Are they actually the trees as BR is nearly so just with a different connection type? ADWD Bran III "Most of him has gone into the tree," explained the singer Meera called Leaf. "He has lived beyond his mortal span, and yet he lingers. For us, for you, for the realms of men. Only a little strength remains in his flesh. He has a thousand eyes and one, but there is much to watch. One day you will know." Dany sees Pyat under the trees, she then walks under the trees again (it's dark) to the door/mouth of the Palace of Dust. Implied is the undergroundness that we see with BR and Bran. She compares it to a face like we see in a weirwood tree. White tree cast its sacrifices into the mouth. The imagery says Dany herself is going into the trees where the Undying live. Dany burns the Palace of Dust but Pyat, outside, burns too. He's always under the trees, and also in the Palace of Dust with the Undying? Looks like a weirnet-type connection outside the roots themselves. I wonder at the presence of sorcery and why the trees look different and sorcery being used to by-pass the physical connection requirement for a psychic one or something (lots of psychic connections in the series: wargs, skinchangers, Others' control over the wights) would be a means to create a different connection which is less of a handicap, at least for a while. Sorcery being used for a not-physical connection to the trees would explain their being black and blue, like a bruise. It would also explain the weirdness of Dany's visions compared to Bran's. Are they sick trees? Wrong trees? Sorcery is known to warp in this world. Practitioners are often describes as squat, short, hinting at a worsening appearance over time. Cersei makes a more literal connection. The Palace of Dust is hardly a picture of strength. AFFC Cersei VIII The old woman's eyes were yellow, and crusted all about with something vile. In Lannisport it was said that she had been young and beautiful when her husband had brought her back from the east with a load of spices, but age and evil had left their marks on her. She was short, squat, and warty, with pebbly greenish jowls. Her teeth were gone and her dugs hung down to her knees. You could smell sickness on her if you stood too close, and when she spoke her breath was strange and strong and foul. "Begone," she told the girls, in a croaking whisper. TWOW Spoiler
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    Shade of the evening.

    I'm going with the long list of connections and parallels in the books and not ruling out the possibility yet especially in the face of more info forthcoming. I also choose to acknowledge the difference between the certainty I can have of an event like Ned's head getting chopped off and the level of certainty I can claim of an hallucinogenic vision. I'm not convinced by posters who claim certainty in knowing what's not yet published. I'm also not overlooking how GRRM loves to tell tales only in part and hold back crucial info for later, nor that Qarth is part of this held back info. Cause it's not like he never does that or anything.
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