Alden Rothack Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/24/2022 at 5:55 AM, Ring3r said: Pretty sure he'd frown on her getting frisky with her bedmaids. Apart from that, she's infertile and he's a prude. I don't see it going over very well with either of them. Why would he care what she does with bedmaids, shes not going to get pregnant that way and thats the only thing of importance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Stany and Dannis would be a better couple than they're getting credit for. They're both open to the mystical/ magical so when Stannis says 'the red woman stays' Dany will answer 'of course she does'. They're both hellbent on their claims so if each could somehow convince the other of the power of their co-claim they would each become the other's staunchest ally. Neither brook treason but both have had to compromise with treasonous subjects so when Dany moans about Mereen Stannis can run a hand through her hair and say 'there there, let me tell you about the Karstarks and all of these useless lords of mine that used to be Renley's". Troubles in the bedroom? "Yes Stanny, Shireen ain't much to look at, but you should have seen the baby I had out in the wastes" and they could commiserate on their ugly babies (hm, isn't 'ugly baby' actually a blessing or good luck appeal or something somewhere? These two are blessed). I dunno there could be a real foundation there for something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/24/2022 at 9:49 AM, Aebram said: Let's not forget that Stannis is still married to Selyse. Mel can ask her to sacrifice herself. She has kingsblood, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Mel can ask her to sacrifice herself. She has kingsblood, after all. How much does she value her own life if she's willing to do that though? The sacrifice is supposed to be a sacrifice. If she is willing to sacrifice herself, she can't think her own life is that valuable, so she wouldn't make a good sacrifice...Unless it is not a voluntary sacrifice, but then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Corvo the Crow said: Sacrifice is never easy. Or it is no true sacrifice. So I think sacrificing someone who's willing would defeat the purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Tell that to Nissa Nissa. Hers seemed to have worked, giving fabulous secret powers to prince Azor. But Azor Ahai was sacrificing her. I don't think she was sacrificing herself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just now, Corvo the Crow said: Dany being able to release the dragons possibly had something to do with it as well. I don't think Mirri was a willing sacrifice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just now, Corvo the Crow said: Dany herself was. But she didn't really sacrifice herself, because she's still alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just now, Corvo the Crow said: But she really did sacrifice herself, it’s just that she somehow survived, cuz, Georgus Vult. I don't know. I think death is a pretty integral part of human sacrifice. And I think the rule that the more valuable/hard to sacrifice the thing is, the better the sacrifice, means that self-sacrifice would have to be less effective. Because if you are willing to give up your own life you probably value it less than someone who isn't. So a voluntary sacrifice should have less of an effect than in involuntary one, going by the in-world logic. Unless this is another case of the books not following their own established logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: So you’re saying that Nissa Nissa’s sacrifice was worth less than of the lion’s? I thought that Nissa Nissa wasn't sacrificed voluntarily though. Also it is established that human sacrifice is worth more than animal sacrifice. An animal can't really be sacrificed voluntarily or involuntarily because they don't have the capacity to make the choice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo the Crow Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Craving Peaches said: I thought that Nissa Nissa wasn't sacrificed voluntarily though. Also it is established that human sacrifice is worth more than animal sacrifice. Quote A hundred days and a hundred nights he labored on the third blade, and as it glowed white-hot in the sacred fires, he summoned his wife. 'Nissa Nissa,' he said to her, for that was her name, 'bare your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.' She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: 'Nissa Nissa,' he said to her, for that was her name, 'bare your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.' Hmm...To be fair, he didn't explicitly tell her what was coming. 6 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: cry of anguish This also implies she can't have been that happy with what went on. Another issue is that I don't believe either Stannis or Melisandre value Selyse as much as Azor valued Nissa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Craving Peaches Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: And what about her cry of ecstasy? Pleasure and pain are two sides of the same coin? 6 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said: Her husband has sacrificed a lion 3 months back and failed for the second time. That doesn't mean that she would automatically know she was the next target. If she was so ready why wasn't she bearing her breast of her own accord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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