Dornish Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 There are a number of roles for which I can think of no good actors, but still have an idea of what I'd be hoping for. I propose a discussion of traits, moods, undertones, and critical scenes for establishing characters and pinpointing the kind of actor we'd like to see in the role. Actual casting suggestions are welcome. Littlefinger: No one we've ever seen before as a villain. He should be believable as a good guy up until the betrayal scene so that Ned doesn't look a complete fool for trusting him. Arya/Sansa: About 50% of their scenes for the first book are together so they'll need incredible chemistry. They also have the responsibility of selling the execution scene, so they have to be very talented. Eddard Stark: I'm hoping for a 35-50ish poor man's Liam Neeson. If such a man exists. Dany: [i]Wanted: 18+ talented actress who looks 14, is stunning, willing to go topless, and spend significant time in unflattering pregnancy prosthetics[/i]. This may be the hardest role to fill. While you could do the wedding night with creative camera angles, she's pretty much got to go nude for the final pyre scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padraig Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 [quote name='Dornish' post='1586612' date='Nov 12 2008, 18.14']Dany: [i]Wanted: 18+ talented actress who looks 14, is stunning, willing to go topless, and spend significant time in unflattering pregnancy prosthetics[/i]. This may be the hardest role to fill. While you could do the wedding night with creative camera angles, she's pretty much got to go nude for the final pyre scene.[/quote] I don't think they need her to be topless. Give the impression that she is. Sure. But with a little imagination they can avoid anything that revealing. [quote]He should be believable as a good guy up until the betrayal scene so that Ned doesn't look a complete fool for trusting him.[/quote] Heh. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb19 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 I'm not trying to call you out. I think this is a good idea for a thread to gather the pertinent information about a character, but I think I read that anything in the Series subforum that discussed content of the books needed to be spoilered. Just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoldering Hound Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Littlefinger needs to give off that child molester vibe as well...;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brude Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 [quote name='Dornish' post='1586612' date='Nov 12 2008, 13.14']This may be the hardest role to fill. While you could do the wedding night with creative camera angles, she's pretty much got to go nude for the final pyre scene.[/quote] Eh, it's HBO. No trouble with nudity on there - have you seen True Blood? As for finding actresses 18+ to play younger, that's not hard either. It's done all the time in Hollywood. Reese Witherspoon was incredibly convincing as a highschooler in FREEWAY, but she was 20 or so when she made the film. It's actually extremely common. And if they tweak her age so that she's supposed to be 16 instead of 14, no biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Yobjascz Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 One thing that few people keep in mind in casting is that you've got to maintain family resemblances in order for it to be convincing. Jon, Eddard, and Arya all need to look like Starks. Jaime and Cersei are twins and used to pass as each other... they have to share facial features at least, not just hair and eye color. There's some suspension of disbelief out there that allows some leeway, but you can't go overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matarreyes Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Facial features are pretty unimportant compared to how well do those actors... well... ACT. It would be nice if Jaime and Cercei looked alike, but it´s hardly relevant to the series. As long as they are up to their respective roles and have chemistry together, make them blond and simply forget that GRRM ever mentioned they used to exchange clothing at five. Hair and eye color is very amply mentioned in the books (and stays unnaturally stable in high families through long generations) but story wise, it´s only important that Joff, Tommen and Myrcella do not look like Robert, and more like Jaime. End of hair color casting mania. As for Stark children, there is hardly any need to make Arya more like Ned, and Sansa more like Cat. Jon has no need to look specially "starkly" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nya across the narrow sea Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 [quote name='Dornish' post='1586612' date='Nov 12 2008, 10.14']Dany: [i]Wanted: 18+ talented actress who looks 14, is stunning, willing to go topless, and spend significant time in unflattering pregnancy prosthetics[/i]. This may be the hardest role to fill. While you could do the wedding night with creative camera angles, she's pretty much got to go nude for the final pyre scene.[/quote] I actually have this absurd hope that they'll cut out the character of Dany altogether. Out of everyone, her storyline has the most potential to become hilariously bad (all the exotic fantasy lands she goes to, blue-lipped effeminate wizards, people with absurd facial hair etc.) Even when reading her chapters, my mind goes to a bad Conan the Barbarian-fantasy place. If they don't tone down some aspects of it, it will all look so ludicrous. That being said, the House of the Undying scene will be KICK. ASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venardhi Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 [quote name='nya across the narrow sea' post='1590205' date='Nov 15 2008, 11.56']I actually have this absurd hope that they'll cut out the character of Dany altogether. Out of everyone, her storyline has the most potential to become hilariously bad (all the exotic fantasy lands she goes to, blue-lipped effeminate wizards, people with absurd facial hair etc.) Even when reading her chapters, my mind goes to a bad Conan the Barbarian-fantasy place. If they don't tone down some aspects of it, it will all look so ludicrous.[/quote] I'd be more worried about her story feeling out of place with the rest of the plot. For most of the series she is almost completely detached from everything else going on. It will be very tricky for people to give a crap about her storyline when they have 30 other characters interacting in more interesting ways on the other continent. I love her story, but it is going to be very tricky to make it work in the TV format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 [quote name='Dornish' post='1586612' date='Nov 12 2008, 13.14']Dany: [i]Wanted: 18+ talented actress who looks 14, is stunning, willing to go topless, and spend significant time in unflattering pregnancy prosthetics[/i]. This may be the hardest role to fill. While you could do the wedding night with creative camera angles, she's pretty much got to go nude for the final pyre scene.[/quote] You forgot something that, I think, many others have also forgotten: "must be willing to have her head shaved". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crates of Thebes Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 [quote name='Morrigan' post='1594671' date='Nov 19 2008, 19.21']You forgot something that, I think, many others have also forgotten: "must be willing to have her head shaved".[/quote] Natalie Portman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venardhi Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 not really. that last scene can be faked with a bald cap and makeup (or CGI even) and by the time she comes back for the second season her hair has begun to grow again and she can either cut it short or wear a wig (which she will probably be doing anyways due to the specific hair color she'll need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARKG Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 [quote name='nya across the narrow sea' post='1590205' date='Nov 15 2008, 14.56']I actually have this absurd hope that they'll cut out the character of Dany altogether. Out of everyone, her storyline has the most potential to become hilariously bad (all the exotic fantasy lands she goes to, blue-lipped effeminate wizards, people with absurd facial hair etc.) Even when reading her chapters, my mind goes to a bad Conan the Barbarian-fantasy place. If they don't tone down some aspects of it, it will all look so ludicrous. That being said, the House of the Undying scene will be KICK. ASS.[/quote] :thumbsdown: Blasphemous heresy. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 [quote name='Venardhi' post='1594880' date='Nov 20 2008, 01.01']not really. that last scene can be faked with a bald cap and makeup (or CGI even) and by the time she comes back for the second season her hair has begun to grow again and she can either cut it short or wear a wig (which she will probably be doing anyways due to the specific hair color she'll need.[/quote] That would most likely look exceedingly goofy. :stunned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venardhi Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 NO, no moreso than any other girl walking through fire without getting burned. You don't think they're actually going to send an actress into a funeral pyre do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Don't patronize me, please. What kind of fool cannot see the difference between obviously required special effects for a fire scene, and faked baldness that we constantly need to look at? If it were that easy to fake gracefully, why didn't they do it in V for Vendetta, instead of shaving Natalie Portman's head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psim Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hm I'll have to agree with Venardhi, she needs to be bald for one short scene only, the one where she walks out of the fire at the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammena Piper Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 [quote name='Dornish' post='1586612' date='Nov 12 2008, 10.14']There are a number of roles for which I can think of no good actors, but still have an idea of what I'd be hoping for. I propose a discussion of traits, moods, undertones, and critical scenes for establishing characters and pinpointing the kind of actor we'd like to see in the role. Actual casting suggestions are welcome. Littlefinger: No one we've ever seen before as a villain. He should be believable as a good guy up until the betrayal scene so that Ned doesn't look a complete fool for trusting him. Arya/Sansa: About 50% of their scenes for the first book are together so they'll need incredible chemistry. They also have the responsibility of selling the execution scene, so they have to be very talented. Eddard Stark: I'm hoping for a 35-50ish poor man's Liam Neeson. If such a man exists. Dany: [i]Wanted: 18+ talented actress who looks 14, is stunning, willing to go topless, and spend significant time in unflattering pregnancy prosthetics[/i]. This may be the hardest role to fill. While you could do the wedding night with creative camera angles, she's pretty much got to go nude for the final pyre scene.[/quote] I completely agree with all of this. [i]Especially[/i] about Littlefinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammena Piper Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 In my dream casting fantasy, this is how I'd do it. Obviously these are my opinions, I just wanted to outline my primary list of criteria and reasoning in matching actors to roles. 1) The look. I will be taken out of the storyworld if the look jars me too much. I pick performers who have the capabilities (via makeup, hair, costume) to fit how I imagine the character to be. Also, there needs to be a cohesiveness to Families. 2) The ability. Looks alone get me there, but ability continues the story. 3) The Overall Cohesiveness. Overall completion of an ensemble project. This is a whole world that needs to be created, not just a series of single star showcase episodes. The Lannisters, Lions Hot, not beautiful, not cute, but smoking hot. Even Tyrion and Tywin should have a raw sexuality to them. More moneyed than well-bred. Nouveau-riche. Recall the Reyne's of Castemere anyone? Greedy of attention, power, wealth, resources, spirituality, pity, commerce. Consumers. Eaters. Carnivores. hair: blonde or light brown eyes: blue, green, shimmering-chestnut I need to believe that Jaime and Cersei are twins. I need to believe that Tyrion comes from the same blood as Jaime and Cersei. I need to believe that Tywin can kick your ass in a bar brawl and bankrupt you at the same time. The Starks, Wolves Old, regal, noble, innocent, pure of heart. Not naive, not victim, not self-absorbed. Stoic. Resourceful. Silent. Extreme 'Bushido' followers. Contemplative. Steadfast. Predictable. 'Shikata Ga Nai' 'It cannot be helped'. Very Japanese Zen. hair: browns, blacks, hirsute eyes: browns, blacks, light-blues I need to believe that Ned fathered Robb, Jon, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. I need to believe that Robb, Sansa, Bran, and Rickon belong in Winterfell even though they don't look like Winterfell kids. I need to believe that Jon definitely looks like he belongs in Winterfell... but something's off. I need to believe that Arya completely belongs in Winterfell in looks... and completely in Riverrun in personality... The Tullys, Trout Beautiful, not cute, not hot. Brave, stubborn, spit of willfulness in their eyes. Blind. Bold. Brave. Slippery. Hard to catch. Hard to predict. Ever shifting. Ever adapting. hair: auburn, red, browns, cinnamon, black eyes: blue, green, brown, hazel (earthy) I need to believe that Catelyn gave birth to Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. I need to believe that Catelyn is related to the rest of the Tully men back in Riverland. I need to believe that Catelyn is the 'Marcia' to Lysa's 'Jan' The Targaryens, Dragons Exotic. Outsiders. Fictional. Aliens who came from the sky and took over the world. Stagnant. Dying breed. Ancient. Outclassed by the mongrel natives. Foreign. Freaks. Madness borne from loss of roots. Loss of self. Loss of identity. Without dragons, who are we but half our Selves? hair: blonde, white, silver, molten gold, starry silver eyes: violet, lavender, periwinkle, amethyst hair post-Myriah Martell Targaryen: blonde, white, silver, brown, chestnut, mahogany, cinnamon, caramel, peppered, streaked eyes post-Myriah Martell Targaryen: brown, black, violet, lavender, plum, amethyst, spotted, dual I need to believe that Dany, Viserys, Rhaegar, and Aemon don't belong to the land of the Seven Kingdoms. I need to believe that Dany, Viserys, Rhaegar, and Aemon have an other-continent quality to them. I need to believe that Dany, Viserys, Rhaegar, and Aemon are of a dying race. I need to believe that Dany, Viserys, Rhaegar, and Aemon are not pure Valeryian and have Dornish blood pumping through their veins. The Baratheons, Stag Tall. Tall. Big. Thick. Protectors. Masculine (even the women). Macho and Sexist (even the women). Led by the genitals. Hunger for domination. Hunger for superiority. Hunger to be on top. Hunger to protect. Dangerous Prey. hair: black, dark brown, deep mahogany, chestnut, very hirsute or bald. eyes: black, browns, deep blues, stormy greys I need to believe that Robert Baratheon is the top stag in his family. I need to believe that Robert Baratheon will mount anything he can catch. And that he's good at catching things. (side note: please don't do the Hollywoood glam thing with Robert. He should be smelly, hairy, big, thick and nasty. No shaved chests, no sixpack abs please. Give me a Robert who farts and burps and scratches his ass... and -still- has the charisma and confidence to charm a goat off its legs by genuinely -caring-. A real human with charm that matches his status. Heighten his heart and you heighten the payoff.) I need to believe that Renly Baratheon wants to be top stag. I need to believe that Stannis Baratheon thinks he's already the true top stag. The Tyrells, Roses Pretty, not beautiful, not hot. Sprouting prettiness to crinkle in old age. Vain in looks, vain in psyche, vain in soul. Fruitful and shortlived. Fickle. Transitory and Temporary. Thorny and Thistly. Major concern is fruitfulness and procreation. Survival through procreation. Survival through strangulation. hair: blonde, browns, reds, blacks eyes: blues, greens, browns I need to believe that the Tyrells are always the unwanted guests at dinner, but you need to smile and invite them in. Because everyone expects them. I need to believe that the Tyrells are always searching. Always thirsty. Always desperate. The smell of rotting roses is just as strong as ripe oranges. The Arryns, Falcons Watchers. Observers. Witnesses. Dreamers. Victims. Fearful. Chicken Little's. Naive. hair: browns, light blondes eyes: blues, greys I need to believe the Arryns are cancerous. I need to believe the Arryns are not in the process of dying, but are already dead. I need to believe the Arryns live in constant vertigo. Literally and Psychologically. SPOILER: Book 4I need to believe that a Mockingbird can make a home in a Falcon's nest. The Greyjoys, Kraken Single Visioned. Present. The present is the only thing that matters. What is here now is what is. Yesterday is nothing. Tomorrow is nothing. The tide only tells the present. You are my mate/friend/victim/ally/child for present. The Tide will tell the next present. hair: blacks, dark browns eyes: greys, dark blues, dark greens, black, browns I need to believe the Greyjoys are old. I need to believe the Greyjoys are myopic. I need to believe the Greyjoys are Predators limited by their convictions. The Martells, Sun and Spear Duality. Sun. Dark. Sun. Spear. NoSpear. Spear. Victims. Victors. Victims. Hot. Cold. Hot. hair: blacks, browns, sandy blonde eyes: blacks, browns, hazel, bright green, skyblue. I need to believe the Martells are -relatively- untouched by the 'Games'. I need to believe the Martells are deeply touched by death. Death and more Death. I need to believe the Martells will seek revenge for generations to come. I need to believe the Martells are still seeking revenge for Daeron I's Conquest. I need to believe the Martells are not satisfied. I need to believe the Martells will stay the course and fade until they rise again at the opportune time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackfish Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 ^ That is a pretty nice post, whatever comes of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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