Red Wedding 2.0?

[Sand Snake No. 9]

I doubt GRRM will stage, for the third time, a killing at a wedding.

Three is the magic number. There'd also be a certain closure in hitting the Freys hard at a wedding, which is why the idea of RW 2.0 has such appeal. Of course, the Bolton wedding at Winterfell isn't really having a happy ending, is it?

But any scenario that results in lots of dead Freys is fine with me. :devil:

[Booknerd2]

Gah! I forgot about all that coin the BWB has been hoarding...opens up a lot of possibilities. Well, you can't have too many resources, there are too many Freys.

[TyrionFan82]

I'd love to see Howland and the Cranogmen joing the fight. That'd be awesome.

[richard_ba]

Since no guest rights are likely to be violated I doubt it will be a second Red Wedding. What there might be is however a massacre during the wedding but it will be a very different scenario even with superficial similarities.

That's interesting because I had the impression that the BWB has been shrinking since Stoneheart took over and made his round to hang outlaws.

Brienne made it up clear that BwB doesn't care about guests' rights anymore

[Booknerd2]

Also, for a House like Frey that shows no respect for guest's rights that probably has made things worse for them too.

[Gurkhal]

Brienne made it up clear that BwB doesn't care about guests' rights anymore

Well its not like they need to care since they won't be the ones to give anyone any guest rights.

[TyrionFan82]

Yea, I think as far as the Freys are concerned guest rights aren't a big concern.

[romantic]

I hope they pick another song instead of Rains of Castamere though. It being a Lannister wedding that song wouldn't provide the 'oh sh*t!' moment it did at the first Red Wedding.

Do the Starks have their own theme song?

Who let the dogs (wolves) out!

[Free Northman]

This would be a pity, if it does happen, because it will in no way be of sufficient magnitude to compensate for the Red Wedding.

If we are supposed to feel:" Hell yeah, take that for killing the Young Wolf, Lannister scum!", then it should at least be the extermination of the entire court at King's Landing, or the poisoning of all the water supplies in Casterly Rock or something, to kind of show that the stakes were raised to a new level when Robb was murdered at his wedding.

But the killing of some insignificant Lannister brat and his nameless Frey wife? That's a 1 on the Richter scale compared to the 9.9 that was the Red Wedding.

We need an event lilke Brandon Ice Eyes hanging the entrails of the Slavers from the Heart Tree. Something that will shock the entire realm.

[romantic]

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I think that we will have a few dead frey's here, a few there, a few in pie, a few in a fire, here a dead frey, there a dead frey, everwhere a dead frey.

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Old Lord Walder had some heirs, ee ay ee ay oh

Of those heirs he had some cravens, ee ay ee ay oh

With a chop chop here and a stab stab there.....

^ :lmao:

I really love the idea of poisoning. It not only is a woman's weapon but evens the numerical advantage. Having the Riverun staff still at the castle also helps make it work. Finally, poisoning really plays to the breaking of guest right that the Frey's were guilty of...maybe they will poison the salt.

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We've had weasel soup, now time for wolf soup!

Though maybe the wolf pack will attack the Twin Towers when Frey soldiers leave to escort the wedding party and guests to Riverrun. And then attack the convoy.

[Sand Snake No. 9]

Yea, I think as far as the Freys are concerned guest rights aren't a big concern.

But Hosteen and Aenys Frey invoked the guest right when they were complaining about their missing cousins to Lord Manderly. Talk about nerve! But the clever Wyman made sure the his obligations were discharged by giving the future pie guys gifts on their departure.

But I absolutely agree that people who don't respect the guest right can't hide behind it.

[TyrionFan82]

But Hosteen and Aenys Frey invoked the guest right when they were complaining about their missing cousins to Lord Manderly. Talk about nerve! But the clever Wyman made sure the his obligations were discharged by giving the future pie guys gifts on their departure.

But I absolutely agree that people who don't respect the guest right can't hide behind it.

Yeah I remember that from ADWD now. It seems all Freys are just assholes. It must be a gene in their family. LOL.

[Gurkhal]

Yeah I remember that from ADWD now. It seems all Freys are just assholes. It must be a gene in their family. LOL.

I think you are very much misremembering then. Olyvar, Perwyn, Stevron, Hosten etc. several of Freys who seem reasonable good, but they are in a minority.

[TyrionFan82]

I'm thinking of the ones who were at White Harbor. I should've made myself clear. I was so glad when Wyman had them killed.

[Alric Stark]

I want the Freys and Lannisters to get what is coming to them for the Red Wedding, but I don't want whoever does it to further violate guest right to do so. Even though it may be seen as vengence two wrongs don't make a right. (Yes I know condoning slaughter isn't right either but I think you get the picture). I want their deaths to be clean, done while maintaining the honor of the North, not a violation of ancient customs. Just because the Freys dishonored themselves does not make it right for someone else to do so.

That is just my 2 copper.

[trad]

on my reread I noticed that when Cleos Frey is found dead, Rorge takes his coat-of-arms that got quartered.

his coat-of-arms is the twin towers of House Frey and the golden lion of House Lannister.

maybe its an indication to a Frey and Lannister being attacked? maybe in this wedding?

I hope so.

[Septa Mary Frances]

I think Red Wedding 2.0 (that is, a massacre at a wedding), if it happens at all, is unlikely to involve the BWB, Lannisters or Freys. It just seems like too linear a parallel for GRRM.

I could see Aegon at his wedding feast (cementing an alliance to whoever and practically guaranteeing his victory) getting burned by Dany's dragons: the Fried Wedding.

I could see someone going out the Moon Door at Sansa's wedding (again, to whoever): the Blue Wedding (more of a single death parallel to Joffrey's).

I think Genna can be pretty ruthless, but on the other hand, to her, Edmure Tully was lord of Riverrun when her very young son was murdered in his sleep there. Even if she somehow knew he wasn't directly responsible or approving (unlikely), that's what she associates him with. Suggesting killing Roslin's baby if it was a boy was worse in my eyes, but again it seems pragmatically ruthless. She seemed fine with letting a baby girl grow up and marry her grandson.

[The Titan's Legitimate Son]

I hope if there is a RW mark II, that Devan doesn't die because to me he is one of the only Lannisters that at one point of the story isn't an astronomical douche.

[King Tyrion VIII]

Oh I'd love a Red Wedding 2.0 in this scenario.

Is there a reverse of throwing your book at the wall?

[Sand Snake No. 9]

I want the Freys and Lannisters to get what is coming to them for the Red Wedding, but I don't want whoever does it to further violate guest right to do so. Even though it may be seen as vengence two wrongs don't make a right. (Yes I know condoning slaughter isn't right either but I think you get the picture). I want their deaths to be clean, done while maintaining the honor of the North, not a violation of ancient customs. Just because the Freys dishonored themselves does not make it right for someone else to do so.

That is just my 2 copper.

Well, the Frey killing that's been going on so far -- hanging them and their troops from every branch and tree -- hasn't exactly been too clean, has it?

I'm not sure about a Red Wedding 2.0 at Riverrun, but I'm pretty darn sure that something is going to happen at Riverrun since Tom O'Sevens is there, like a musical Trojan horse. (I also can't stand either Emmon or Genna, so any way they get dead is fine with me.)