dothraki screamer Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 After the bloody fight with the Kingsguard which lead to the deaths of Arthur Dayne the Sword of Morning, Gerold Hightower the white bull, Oswald Whent and 5 northern comrades Ned and Howland Reed break open the chamber on the top floor of the Tower of Joy and sees Lyanna (maybe with baby Jon or Gerold Dayne in her hands?)Eddard embraces Lyanna and tells her that the war is over and tells her that that Robert killed Rhaegar (although she probably knows this already) and that she will be Roberts’s queen. Lyanna then tells Eddard that she was not abducted by Rhaegar but left with him by her own free will and that she hates Robert for killing her love on the Trident and that she will not marry him nor and that she never loved him.Ned then realising that the whole rebellion was a pointless waste of time and life and that his brother and father died for her selfishness and that his sister loves the son of the man who killed his brother and father, unsheathes his long sword Ice and stabs Lyanna in a moment of anger and disgust.While Lyanna is lying in a "bed of blood" Ned immediately regrets what he has done and goes down to his dying sister and apologises for what he has done and begs her to forgive him.Lyanna then maybe points to Rhaegar baby and tells Ned that he must keep him alive. Then Ned makes his promise and either:sees the light hair and violet eyes of Rhaegar baby and delivers him to Starfall (with Dawn) then the Daynes pose him as a Dayne of High Hermitage and grows up to be Gerold Dayne (Darkstar) and is named after the White bull, or perhaps was taken or sent there by Arthur Dayne, as the tower of joy and Starfall are both in Dorne.Or2. the baby is Jon Snow and she tells Ned that after hearing of the exile of Viserys and the "death" of Aegon and Rhaenys that he must hide him from Roberts wrath.Ned then takes her bones back her bones to Winterfell etc.How do we know that the Kingsguard didn’t kill her?Ned is a very just and honourable man and in a Game of Thrones chapter Eddard shows that he has great respect for the 3 knights, so if he had known one of them killed his sister he would not have this respect.What purpose would killing her be? They were ordered by Rhaegar to protect her and end up dying to stop Eddard from getting her (and perhaps look after Rhaegar’s surviving son?). So when the White brothers are stuck in a tower for months , they one day see lord Eddard star lord of Winterfell and protector of the North with 6 northern nobles through the window they run up stairs and stab her? I think not.Eddard always regrets that day and it haunted him until he died. If he found her dying, then he would be sad but what would he regret?Why not come clean? It is said no one is more cursed than a kinslayer and many people show great disrespect to people who slay their kin. Also Robert went to war over Lyanna and loved her more than anything. Not only would Robert be distraught that Lyanna never loved him but he would also kill Ned. Furthermore the realm needed peace and if Robert found out Ned killed Lyanna there could be a war between the iron throne and the north.Further evidence1. It was said in “A game Of Thrones” that Lyanna didn’t love Robert because of his promiscuity and that she believed Robert would cheat on her.2. It is said that Eddard did not believe Lyanna was raped by Rhaegar.3. Robert has always been stubborn in discussing Jon’s parentage So if the white cloaks didn’t kill her and she just turns up dead, why was Lyanna in a "bed of blood"Please comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tyrion I Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Mods?Please move this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothraki screamer Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 i am new to this, whats a mod and what is moving a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xray the Enforcer Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 You posted this in the Help section, a portion of the board for people who need technical help with their accounts.Mod = moderator. People here who are generally supposed to keep the board tidy and pleasant. Occasionally we have to kick some ass, but (believe it or not) that's the least favorite mod job.Moving a thread = moving it to the proper subforum.ETA: Thread is now moved to the proper subforum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothraki screamer Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 how do i move it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Kelsey Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It's in the right place now. And the only way that we can come to the conclusion about the promise and about her birthing the child is by drawing the idea of her dying in a "bed of blood" to mean that she died shortly after giving birth to a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzer Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Man, this and the "Robb should've executed Catelyn" thread made me laugh so hard :lmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 'Bed of blood' and 'the bloody bed' are Westerosi euphemisms for the child-birthing bed. Nobody killed Lyanna - she died of complications related to child-birth, it is as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Wylla Manderly Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 You've merely collected all the "evidence" that indicated R+L=J, and then gave it a plot twist. Which I don't believe. If Ned was a kinslayer, you'd think he wouldn't look so down upon men like Jaime Lannister (for kingslaying) or Jorah Mormont (for selling slaves.) Ned is a person who's always way too hard on himself, not the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothraki screamer Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 where does it say in the books (only read them once) that the bloody bed is a euphemism for the child birthing bed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Wylla Manderly Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 where does it say in the books (only read them once) that the bloody bed is a euphemism for the child birthing bed?“I know every secret of the bloody bed, Silver Lady, nor have I ever lost a babe,” Mirri Maz Duur replied....That was the way of this cold world, where men fished the sea and dug in the ground and died, whilst women brought forth short-lived children from beds of blood and pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothraki screamer Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Kelsey Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Oops, Someone already answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affcwasmyfavorite Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 And now.I've heard everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Ok some of these threads are going from funny to just WTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Kelsey Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 And now.I've heard everything.I don't think so.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Ned doesn't kill kin. He definitely doesn't kill unarmed girls who have just given birth. This is the man who was willing to let Jaime and Cersei Lannister flee-the people who he believed had betrayed his beloved Robert, killed his foster father and crippled his son. And they were no kin to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzer Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Maybe Ned was a completely fucked-up lunatic, with multiple personalities and a secret psychopath. He looks like a nice and honorable man in his POVs just because he's lying to himself. He probably used to escape the night and have some fun on the Dreadfort with his bastard son Ramsay, who thinks is Roose's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 :shocked::shocked::shocked: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:Couldn't have put it better myself. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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