Summer is Ending Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 When Stannis whined about people not praising the taste of his shit he clearly did not know about this message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Stannis isnt a villain. Hes just a putz. One can be a putz without being a villain. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMysteriousOne Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 How is stannis a villain? He is fighting freys, and boltons. Saved the north from wildlings and saved deepwood mott from ironborn. What has he ever done to be classified as a villain?If it matters, I really don't like Stannis, but he's obviously not a villain, he actually is trying to help the realm. (Though he hasn't been too sucessful..but that's another topic altogether...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'm so busted, I wrote that knowing at any moment you and E-Ro would be showing up LOL. In my defense I was just agreeing with the poster though.Stannis= :thumbsdown:I'm out!!!!! :leaving:Everything he has done has been for the good of the realm. That hardly makes him bad.When Stannis whined about people not praising the taste of his shit he clearly did not know about this message board.When did he ever do that? You are the quote master I want that quote as soon as possible :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 If it matters, I really don't like Stannis, but he's obviously not a villain, he actually is trying to help the realm. (Though he hasn't been too sucessful..but that's another topic altogether...)Thank you. But he has been succesful saving the realm from renlys horrible rule and the north from the depredations of the wildlings as well he saved lady glover and her people from the ironborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogLover Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cersei by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Cersei by far.Really? Are you picking up were Queen Cersei I left off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMysteriousOne Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Thank you. But he has been succesful saving the realm from renlys horrible rule and the north from the depredations of the wildlings as well he saved lady glover and her people from the ironborn.You're welcome. Alright, well maybe has been somewhat...successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogLover Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I also pity Sandor, though no one really saw him as a bad guy after the whole Sandor-Arya combo.Sandor is more antihero than villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogLover Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Really? Are you picking up were Queen Cersei I left off?No. I genuinely feel sorry for her, especially after the WoS.ETA: I also stated "by far" because I don't feel sorry for any other characters who can be considered straight-up villains--Gregor, Ramsay, Roose, almost all Freys, Craster, the Brave Companions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreyKraken Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Thank you. But he has been succesful saving the realm from renlys horrible rule and the north from the depredations of the wildlings as well he saved lady glover and her people from the ironborn. Its true Renly wouldn't have made a very good king but he would be a better king than Robert for sure. Like Robert relied on Jon Arryn to rule the Iron Throne, Renly would rely on another person like Mace Tyrell and would get educated on the position.I still have to admit Stannis would be a great king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 No. I genuinely feel sorry for her, especially after the WoS.I still can't, not even if i try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreyKraken Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 No. I genuinely feel sorry for her, especially after the WoS. The WoS was fitting for her, she was making enemies in people she needed as allies and is destroying her house. After what she made Qyburn do to the blue bard I refuse to feel any pity for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I still can't, not even if i try.Its hella difficult for me too, but i can see why people could pity Cersei here, mostly for the nature of the punishment. But i do stand by that the Walk was a very important character development vehicle for Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrish Swamp Thing Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Vargo. They thlew hith bear :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Call me crazy, but I kind of feel sorry for Ramsey. Unlike a lot of the villains in these books, he has the defense of being totally insane. And I suspect he may be the only person in the entire North who doesn't kow that he's not really married to a princess.Actually, maybe I just prefer him to his father, who is just pure cold, black-hearted evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Its hella difficult for me too, but i can see why people could pity Cersei here, mostly for the nature of the punishment. But i do stand by that the Walk was a very important character development vehicle for Cersei.Dammit Florina! No offense, but can you stick with an avatar pic for more then 5 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogLover Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The WoS was fitting for her, she was making enemies in people she needed as allies and is destroying her house. After what she made Qyburn do to the blue bard I refuse to feel any pity for her.It wasn't fitting. She was sentenced to the WoS for having affairs after she was widowed. It was a misogynistic punishment. No men in the series, most of whom have sex outside of marriage, had to take the WoS. Not saying she doesn't deserve to be held accountable for her many crimes, but the punishment needs to fit the crime. And Cersei's one and only punishment to date is for something not even criminal. My feelings toward Cersei are complex and I find her story more tragic than villainous. But I'm certainly not a Cersei apologist. Just answering the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMysteriousOne Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 This is off topic, but to me, the Lannisters siblings are the most important family to me, in terms of society and how it affects people, because they are direct representations of how the society of Westeros shapes and affects individuals. Cersei, even though she's a bit wacko on her own, has been shaped by the fact that she was born in a patriarchal society where women are disadvantaged from the get-go and are considered 'less' than men. Tyrion has been shaped by how people in Westeros look down on him because he is physically unappealing and because of his physical defects, as a result Tyrion has become arguably one of the most intelligent of the highborn in Westeros. Jaime, is different from his siblings because he is like a WASP of Westeros. He's fair-haired, handsome, a skilled swordsman and he was trained to be a lord, but now he's lost his hand and he has basically lost most of his value to society, (in Westerosi terms). So yeah....Just my thoughts, its probably been discussed about before. :ohwell: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludd Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Need to judge villainy by the criteria of the middle ages NOT by the standards of today ButIn order of horrorAny one who tortures for pleasure Ramsay Qyburn The goat Roose???Any one who kills a child just for their own personal gain Jaime Cersai Joffrey TheonPeople who kill children for revenge Robert Catelyn KarstarkPeople who kill children recklessly and needlessly when following orders Sandor GregorPeople who kill other innocent people for no reason Too many to listMurderers, with or without motive Tyrion LyssaPeople who kill excessively even if they think it is to protect themselves Arya Ygritte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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