assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I read a theory, forgot where, that maybe Osha will use Rickon's ability to warg into Shaggy Dog to make the tribes of Skagos to believe he's a god-type figure to raise men to fight for the StarksThis is actually my balls-to-the-wall (no pun intended) theory. It's not so much Rickon himself as it is what he represents. He's a figurehead, but he can potentially drum up some serous firepower when they need it most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Rickon is likely still too young to be a factor in his own right during the scope of ASOIAF, but he's very important for the after.This is a point I like to bring up. Even with a "5 year gap" (a thing which seems largely disproven now), he'd be what... nine ?! Will winter last more than that ? Yes.I can't predict how long the ASOIAF story will go, by the time we reach the end of ADOS. At this rate, he's not going to do much of significance except to be a living Stark. That's important in its own right, but it really doesn't seem like he's going to be the next Young Wolf or something.I'd say the odds favour Arya or Bran ruling Winterfell over him. Maybe not for the long-term (if there even is a long term with the Others rising), but if someone stuck him into Winterfell as "Lord" sooner than that, he'd be a northern Tommen - ruled by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampris Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 This is a point I like to bring up. Even with a "5 year gap" (a thing which seems largely disproven now), he'd be what... nine ?! Will winter last more than that ? Yes.I can't predict how long the ASOIAF story will go, by the time we reach the end of ADOS. At this rate, he's not going to do much of significance except to be a living Stark. That's important in its own right, but it really doesn't seem like he's going to be the next Young Wolf or something.I'd say the odds favour Arya or Bran ruling Winterfell over him. Maybe not for the long-term (if there even is a long term with the Others rising), but if someone stuck him into Winterfell as "Lord" sooner than that, he'd be a northern Tommen - ruled by others.I have no idea how long (in terms of years) the last 2 books will stretch, but I kind of feel like Rickon's eventual fate will be an afterthought for the epilogue of the series. If he ends up ruling while still of an age to need a regent then Winterfell is vulnerable all over again. My theory is that no one will rule Winterfell, much less rebuild it, till the wars are all over and everyone is just looking to get back to their lives. It's burned to the ground right now and with winter coming, the succession still not decided, and probably some epic battle with the Others coming up, Winterfell just isn't that important in the scheme of things. But when the Others are defeated and a Stark must once again be in Winterfell then it can be rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRON BANK Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I think the martin is going to be a little sarcastic on this one, actually bringing the reader something they don't expect, martin seems to do the unexpected so were probably going to see this extremely young kid do something so epic that the name rickon stark lives on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Meeraculous Third Reed Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'd be more inclined to believe that if any aspect of Rickon's story has "Shaggy-Dog" qualities, it's his destination. Stories and superstitions about Skagos are rife. I imagine many of them are untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Jon won't be heir of Winterfell, I'm a believer of R + L = J, Jon's role is bigger than thatI think Rickon will be the next Lord of Winterfell, and maybe King in the North, if the 7 kingdoms separate in the end of the storyI think Bran will have other duties to do, so I don't think he'll be KITN or Lord of Winterfell, now he's a greenseer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin king Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Shaggy dog story is a pretty established term. It predates TV tropes and Game of thrones by a large margin. See 1959's The Shaggy DogMartin's use of the name has to be deliberate. Either as a clue or a red herring. Most of the dire wolves names seem to be significant in one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a Harpy Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Anyway I could click on it for hours. My favorite part is on the 7 basic plots (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSevenBasicPlots) I was even thinking about starting a thread on this. I think GRRM hits just about every one of them in ASOIAF, but he lays it on pretty heavy with the tragedy.Just for fun. Overcoming the Monster - Jon Rags to Riches - Sansa/Sam/Brienne The Quest - Bran/Stannis Voyage and Return - Dany Comedy - Cersei and Jamie? Ned and Cat? Davos and Stannis? Sam and Gilly?Tragedy - Arya/Bran Rebirth - Tyrion/Theon/Jamie/Sandor/many more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Heir of Bear Island Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Just for fun.Overcoming the Monster - JonRags to Riches - Sansa/Sam/BrienneThe Quest - Bran/StannisVoyage and Return - DanyComedy - Cersei and Jamie? Ned and Cat? Davos and Stannis? Sam and Gilly?Tragedy - Arya/BranRebirth - Tyrion/Theon/Jamie/Sandor/many moreORRebirth - AAR = Jon or Dany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Rickon's story can very well have Shaggy dog aspect even without him dying. Davos went to a quest to bring Rickon back. He actually went there to fulfill Manderly's request so he will support Stannis. So Davos will go all this trouble (and I think it will be a lot of trouble) to bring Rickon back but when he returns Stannis will be dead and maybe someone else will be king in the North or it will go like this:Davos: It cost me my crew, my ship and one of my ears but I've brought you Rickon.Manderly: That's nice, but I told you I want my liege lord, so hurry up ,Lord Seaworth, I've heard Bran is beyond the Wall and the weather is really going to get awful around there soon. Though Rickon is a little too perfect heir. So who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Heir of Bear Island Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Rickon's story can very well have Shaggy dog aspect even without him dying.Davos went to a quest to bring Rickon back. He actually went there to fulfill Manderly's request so he will support Stannis. So Davos will go all this trouble (and I think it will be a lot of trouble) to bring Rickon back but when he returns Stannis will be dead and maybe someone else will be king in the North or it will go like this:Davos: It cost me my crew, my ship and one of my ears but I've brought you Rickon.Manderly: That's nice, but I told you I want my liege lord, so hurry up ,Lord Seaworth, I've heard Bran is beyond the Wall and the weather is really going to get awful around there soon. Though Rickon is a little too perfect heir. So who knows...I didn't think of that actually I like it. Though by teh time Davos gets back Manderlay AND Stannis is dead or even just Manderlay. If Manderlay gets offed there is nobody else in on the plan to back Stannis, they will instead back Rickon, and Stannis will be left out of the pary yet again. Poor Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroomshirt Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Just for fun.Overcoming the Monster - JonRags to Riches - Sansa/Sam/BrienneThe Quest - Bran/StannisVoyage and Return - DanyComedy - Cersei and Jamie? Ned and Cat? Davos and Stannis? Sam and Gilly?Tragedy - Arya/BranRebirth - Tyrion/Theon/Jamie/Sandor/many moreThanks for playing along!Yes, I guess we are a little short on Comedy as defined by the link. But Martin is big on changing identities. Perhaps Sandor and Sansa will turn into the comedy later in the series if they meet again and neither recognizes their new identities. They seem to be meant for each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattah84 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 There is definitely something that will play out in a big way with Rickon and Shaggydog. You only have to look Shaggydogs appearance to know it. Shaggydog and Ghost are the only two Direwolves with different color eyes, Ghost's are Red and Shaggy's are Green. Every other Direwolf has Yellow Eyes. I'm not sure what they mean, but I have also always tied Shaggy's Green Eyes into Rickon's dream about Eddard in the Crypts. We know Bran had his dream because he is a Greenseer, but I always wondered why Rickon had the dream as well, and the answer I always came up with was Shaggydog's Green Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampris Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Rickon's story can very well have Shaggy dog aspect even without him dying.Davos went to a quest to bring Rickon back. He actually went there to fulfill Manderly's request so he will support Stannis. So Davos will go all this trouble (and I think it will be a lot of trouble) to bring Rickon back but when he returns Stannis will be dead and maybe someone else will be king in the North or it will go like this:Davos: It cost me my crew, my ship and one of my ears but I've brought you Rickon.Manderly: That's nice, but I told you I want my liege lord, so hurry up ,Lord Seaworth, I've heard Bran is beyond the Wall and the weather is really going to get awful around there soon. Though Rickon is a little too perfect heir. So who knows...I just don't think rumors of Bran's survival will ever reach outside the Far North. His secret has been kept well by its very location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe in Stannis Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 i really wish rickon was old enough to play a butt kicking part but sadly he is not.. i do however hope he comes back and is ultimately lord of winterfell, of course with stannis as king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroomshirt Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 BTW, if you haven't read this yet - it is very interesting. (Even if you don't like the website)http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ASongOfIceAndFire/TropesAToI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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