Boarsbane Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Yeah a guy that commands the strongest mercenary company in the world isn't far more dangerous than a tourney knight In Harry Strickland's case I imagine most tourney knights are better fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Yeah but strickland is a case aside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I seem to recall most of the greatest warriors in the series being tourney knights. Even Sandor was a frequent jouster and participant of melees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I seem to recall most of the greatest warriors in the series being tourney knights. Even Sandor was a frequent jouster and participant of melees. That's not quite accurate. Battles aren't tournaments; that's why an average rider like Robert, being quite an enourmous guy (which isn't good for the horse) defeated an extraordinary rider like Rhaegar was. Although being a good rider always helps, it's not necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That's not quite accurate. Battles aren't tournaments; that's why an average rider like Robert, being quite an enourmous guy (which isn't good for the horse) defeated an extraordinary rider like Rhaegar was. Although being a good rider always helps, it's not necessary.Not necessary, but everybody who was a good rider also happened to be great warriors. Otherwise Arthur's legacy is very much unwarranted, as past KG members have a much better resume than he does Even melees start out on horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Not necessary, but everybody who was a good rider also happened to be great warriors. Otherwise Arthur's legacy is very much unwarranted, as past KG members have a much better resume than he does Even melees start out on horse. Jorah Mormont won the Tournament of Lannisport and he's not a TOP warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Jorah Mormont won the Tournament of Lannisport and he's not a TOP warrior.No, but he is definitely above average. Unlike Dayne, Jaime, or Loras, he has never one more than one tourney. Guys like those have nearly their entire career built by tourneys, yet they're accepted as top warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 No, but he is definitely above average. Unlike Dayne, Jaime, or Loras, he has never one more than one tourney. Guys like those have nearly their entire career built by tourneys, yet they're accepted as top warriors. Because they are top warriors. What I'm trying to say is: -You can be a top warrior even without being a top rider -If you are a top rider and also a top warrior, then you are nearly a legend. Like Jaime, Dayne, Selmy are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 and so? Roebert Baratheon was defeated by NOBODY, and nobody fought as many battles in the front line challenging the enemy champions as he did. He has like a 2000/2000 one on one record. By facts, nor Dayne, Hightower, the cleganes or Jaime have those numbers. So nobody has been tested and probed as much as Robert. 1-Dayne was KG mostly during pacefull times. He might ve seen some action during the ninepennys and the bandidts stuff, but not nearly as Robert. He seams to have done nothing in Dukensale and skiped most of RR, were he end up beeing beaten by Reed and Ned anyway.2- The same goes for the White Bull.3- Jaime as far as we know, only fought three times in his entire life. Against the bandits, against the tullies and then got himself captured by Robb. (So two handed Jaime was not good enough to make himself a way out, as Robert for example did at Ashford).4- Sandor has only fought like it or not in the BlackWaters, were he got broken. Gregor was at KL attack, in a battle against Bolton and some stuff with the BWB. He got beaten by Oberyn anyway.5. Robert Baratheon fought at: - Battle of Gulftown. - Battle against Lord Cafferen - Battle against Lord Fell - Battle against Lord Grandsion - Battle of Ashford - Battle of the Bells. - Battle of the Trident - Battle of Pike.In all those battles he alwas was in the front line, fighting against the cream of the enemy. Unbeaten, uncaptured. Once and again, killing, fighting, being tested. I only have some dubt against Barristan numbers, but he was also captured in battle, defeated and wounded and only survived because Robert took care of him. Simply nobody was ever as tested as Bob in such a flawless way. He certanly was not captured in a fight as the Golden boy (who was involved in far less than him), nor was defeated by a group of northeners Stadisticaly nobody is better than Robert Baratheon. as Robert, this post remains undefeated. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Jaime has done nothng to be considered at the same level as Robert. Robert is tried and tested as a warrior and commander in numerous battles. Jaime is a child prodigy whose biggest accomplishments are killing his king and being captured and out smarted by a teenager. It's a laughable comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Captain Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 as Robert, this post remains undefeated. /thread I'm arguing for Robert but he lost at Ashford :\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I'm arguing for Robert but he lost at Ashford :\ Im pointing that while Jaime and Barristan got themselves captured in battle when their armies lost, Robert Baratheon, even wounded made himself a way out with his hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Barristan decided a war by himself and was captured in the final and decisive battlr of RR, Ashford wasn't decisive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 And at the bells he simple hasn't been killed or captured because Hoster and Ned saved his ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Barristan decided a war by himself and was captured in the final and decisive battlr of RR, Ashford wasn't decisive When Robert defeated Rhaegar, it was as much a deciding moment as what Barristan did (which was impressive, too). And at the bells he simple hasn't been killed or captured because Hoster and Ned saved his ass But he wasn't captured. Surviving to keep fighting while avoiding capture is an important feat, too. Something Jaime failed at, at the Whispering Wood for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Barristan decided a war by himself and was captured in the final and decisive battlr of RR, Ashford wasn't decisive you are just pissed off by the logic that Robert Baratheon is the only big warrior that nevers gets outbeasted in battle altough nobody has fought more, and been in as many battles as him. I just cant see a way you could argue that. Has anyone fought as many battles as Robert, always in the first line? Never killed, and even wounded never captured? Selmy, Jaime, Dayne, Hightower....none of them does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Jaime was in the middle of a battlefield and alone tried to kill Robb to end the war while Robert hide in a brothel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Jaime was in the middle of a battlefield and alone tried to kill Robb to end the war while Robert hide in a brothel Now you're just trolling / being willfully obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 At the bells it was what happened im not saying that it was a bad decision at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 At the bells it was what happened im not saying that it was a bad decision at all. Sure, Robert hid in a brothel. Consoling himself with the prostitutes, while supposedly full of rage for his abducted fiancee - but then nobody ever accused him of an over-abundance of class. The comparable scenario is Ashford though, which - like the Whispering Wood - was a battle that was lost. Jaime gets captured at the WW, while Robert - though wounded - fights his way free, to fight another day. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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