Ordos Posted May 7, 2013 Author Share Posted May 7, 2013 Dragonglass doesn't work on wights- Sam tried it with the wight of Small Paul and no effect.This is what I mean: Dragon glass/Valyrian steel/ Dragon steel. It's utterly confusing.So to recap: Obisdian/Dragon glass kills Others but not wights and Dragon Steel is just some reference in a book that could be Valyrian steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OberynBlackfyre Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 That 5,000 years includes its very beginning, when it was still just a bunch of shepherds. They weren't riding dragons and forging their special weapons from the start; if anything, the Valyrian steel breakthrough date is even later than the 5,000 year mark, not earlier. To co-opt another phrase, Valyria wasn't built in a day. And the history is fluid, sure — but 3,000 years is a lot to be off by, wouldn't you agree?I also think, given how well the Westerosi nobles keep track of their families, castles, heirlooms, etc. that if someone in Westeros had managed to forge a Valyrian steel-like sword 8,000 years ago, let alone enough of them to fight off an army of Others, there'd be some record of it and Valyrian steel wouldn't be treated with the fascination that it is.when something says "at least" 5,000 years ago, I usually take that as they can completely confirm that Valyria was in somewhat existence 5,000 years ago but that there is most likely a longer history that cannot necessarily be proven.You could be very right though, however if dragonsteel is NOT valyrian steel, then it would need to be a good explanation, because there are no records of dragons in the North period during that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 This is what I mean: Dragon glass/Valyrian steel/ Dragon steel. It's utterly confusing.Dragon glass - naturally occuring (volcanic glass-rock)Castle forge steel - standard steelValyrian steel - magic forged with steelDragons steel - were meant to be confused. It's a mystery!Your recap is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 You could be very right though, however if dragonsteel is NOT valyrian steel, then it would need to be a good explanation, because there are no records of dragons in the North period during that timeSo anything with "dragon" its name must be made by dragons? Is obsidian made by dragons? Are dragonpeppers?Hell maybe it's Dawn. The falling star's heat and fire -> Dragons -> Dragonsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 You could be very right though, however if dragonsteel is NOT valyrian steel, then it would need to be a good explanation, because there are no records of dragons in the North period during that timeI think there already is a good explanation for why dragon steel would not be Valyrian Steel. Sam says that most of what he was reading was translated and recorded well after the Long Night. The first men left only runes on rocks, it was all later written down in the Common Tongue long after. The explanation would be a 'lost in translation' sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 My point was that the Others use Wights for their army, knowing how to kill an Other would be great, but most of the fighting would be against Wights to begin with, like we saw on the Fist, so knowing what kills them would be helpful.Wights burn fast, so fire's one way to get rid of them. They can also be chopped to pieces, which renders them inffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtsnoop Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I think there already is a good explanation for why dragon steel would not be Valyrian Steel. Sam says that most of what he was reading was translated and recorded well after the Long Night. The first men left only runes on rocks, it was all later written down in the Common Tongue long after. The explanation would be a 'lost in translation' sort of thing.After his studies in Castle Black, Sam also mentioned that there are a lot of inconsistencies in the commonly known chronology of the Age of Heroes. Yet it still seems not very likely to me, that Valyrian Steel was available in the Long Night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfish Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I also think that if they made dragonsteel another element, that would be completely lame.Who says it is actually a literal sword, made from a literal element? It could very well be a metaphor that was mangled a bit in translation (my personal pet theory is that "dragon steel" is actually a reference to dragons being used as weapons).Alternatively, as Apple said, it could also be Dawn. And while that'd certainly be another "element," it would still have been established long before we'd even heard of dragonglass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Dragonglass doesn't work on wights- Sam tried it with the wight of Small Paul and no effect.Actually, we have no idea if it works on wights or not.Sam's dragonglass blade shattered on wight-small-paul's steel armour - obsidian is very sharp and hard, but also very brittle. It never actually 'got to' the wight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtsnoop Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Alternatively, as Apple said, it could also be Dawn. And while that'd certainly be another "element," it would still have been established long before we'd even heard of dragonglass.Sam lists dragon steel in the same breath as dragon glas. This indicates, that it had some significance in the War Of The Dawn.We also know that the children of the forest gave the black brothers a hundred obsidian daggers every year.On the other hand the greatsword of the House Dayne seems to be pretty unique in westeros, with probably only one of its kind.If such a unique weapon had a significant impact, I would expect tales and songs about sword and swordsman!Or (imo more likely) dragon steel refers to a weapon, not as rare as Dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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