moseisley Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I know he is the product of a rape so did that affect him? was he always this insane ever since he was little? Was he corrupted by Reek and his mother? or was he really just born this freaking crazy? Is it because he is a 'bastard' and that messed up his mind and wants to be more than a 'bastard'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecryptile Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I believe that it is more Nature than Nurture in Ramsay's case. The Boltons don't seem to be the most stable family. In RL there is evidence for a genetic basis for psychopathology.Of course, a Westerosi would blame the circumstances of his conception. Bastards born of impure lust and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei of the Kingsguard Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 why is sky blue ? why is water wet ? why is snow white ? :Pto answer your question i think its same reason Joff was a psycho ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Was he corrupted by Reek and his mother? Roose once said that he's not sure if reek corrupted Ramsay or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkie Baelish Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 He's Roose's son. His depravity comes from Roose. If Roose didn't have the privilege of a noble upbringing and lacked the self-control and subtlety that he possesses, he would be pretty close to what Ramsay is. Ramsay is a mixture of not only being a product of his environment, but the bad blood he inherited from his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Summer Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 His mother didnt hug him enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moseisley Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share Posted June 18, 2013 Thanks for the answers! I guess he's just a manifestation of pure evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Aegon Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Thanks for the answers! I guess he's just a manifestation of pure evil.Well... He likes his dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Why do evil people exist in the real world? I'm not much of a believe in nature of nurture, so it's worth looking at how Ramsay was raised.His mother had just had her husband killed and been raped, so it's not likely she was in a terribly good place emotionally when she found out she was pregnant. Since she likely received no counseling or aid following her ordeal, she very likely never healed from the mental damage, and could have neglected Ramsay as a child. Since children aren't inherently born with a sense of right/wrong or empathy, he may have simply grown up slightly feral, and as he got older never developed a firm understanding of why hurting others is wrong. This would have increased as he became aware of his conception and heritage, and after successfully bumping off Domeric may have felt he could get away with whatever his heart desired.I'm not a psychologist, but it seems there are enough environmental reasons for Ramsay to have developed the necessary sadistic and antisocial personality tendencies without simply saying he was born that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 A mix of these things:Born of Rape / Born a Bastard: in Westeros bastard born are supposed to be not trusted because they were born out of lust. Just as incest can cause messed up genetics (which explains Joffrey's evilness) there has to be some basis for bastards, and probably being born from a rape, being inherently bad. Superstitions come from somewhere.Roose's biological influence. The guy's just got bad blood, as figuratively evidenced by his leechings, and he passed it down to Ramsay.Reek. who corrupted who is questioned by Roose, but lets be honest, it was Reek who was worse. Ramsay may like raping, but Reek likes necrophilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Nucking futz plain and simple. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of Elsewhere Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Well... He likes his dogs.And he loves his Reek... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostlyMoody Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Well... He likes his dogs.So did Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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