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    So how/will that go down in the books?

    A lot has been foreshadowed for KL: Griff and the potential Greyscale outbreak. Wildfire caches still hidden around and a triggerhappy Cersei. Euron and his Godking ambitions. Dany and her 'Fire and Blood' mantra. Not all of those things will happen but it's fairly obvious a tragedy/s will befell KL.
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    Is Young Griffs invasion filler?

    I'd bet that Griff's invasion's purpose (narratively) is to spread Greyscale to King's Landing, after they conquer it. So to hop on the Chekov's Gun parallel, imo Connington is the gun rather than Aegon. I don't even think we will find out if he was real or not.
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    ASoIaF character poll

    1. 23 2. Male 3. Sansa 4. Damphair
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    Please explain Ramsay and the Pink Letter.

    The letter states a few 'facts' - Stannis is dead, his army is gone, his friends are dead, their heads are up on the wall, Mance is in a cage cloaked in skins. Stannis would certainly not tell him, but there are a lot of hard questions Stannis would be getting from Jon who arrives to a completely opposite situation at Winterfell than he was lead to believe. Which means Stannis put his own supposed plan in jeopardy from the get go. The reason this goes against your theory is that yours ascribes that Stannis needs Jons loyalty and have him unite the North, whereas Mance doesn't care about that and wants his army of Wildlings to come to his aid (beside whatever else he is planning). To answer your other question, I think Stannis would choose someone who didn't refuse him once already, who he doesn't see as too honorable and who wouldn't have to be manipulated with extravagant lies to do what he wanted. There are many things that can happen if Stannis looses. He can die, he can be captured, he can pull a Trojan horse on Winterfell and sneak in. Stannis theory works much better if we assume that he loses the battle. It explains the desperate manner of the letter, as opposed to a victorious Stannis who has more time (relatively) to plan and make alliances without resorting to desperate ruses. False King - Parallel to the burning of 'Mance' when he is called the False King and declared dead by Stannis. Mance writes the letter declaring Stannis dead and calls him false king. Poetic and in-character. Whore, bastard - Repeated ad-nauseum. Much more reminiscent of how Mance talks rather than Stannis. Black Crows - a term used exclusively by Wildlings in the books. Cut out and eat your heart - a threat more akin to Mance rather than Stannis or Ramsay. I believe he even makes a similar threat in an earlier book or chapter. Red Witch - I am not sure if Stannis ever refers to Melisandre as the Red Witch. I am inclined to say he would chastise people for doing that. But Mance calls her that all the time. Cloak of Skin - Mance specifically overhears Ramsay saying that he will flay a man and make a cloak of skin out of them. Not a far fetch to assume Ramsay would do something like that, but we have a specific line making a specific threat that Mance overhears. "Burned the man he had to burn for all the world to see." - and "I have him in a cage for all the North to see." Another reference to Mance's burning. The only name (apart from the signature of course) is Mance Rayder. His full name. Why? If it is Mance the reason is very simple - Pride. Perhaps subconscious, but pride nevertheless. To sign off on your own fake letter in a sneaky way. Other things like the only colors referenced red and black (Mance's cloak) and the structure of some sentences/patterns of speech like ending off your sentences with ", bastard." etc. - small things but together with my above points amount to a pretty good language evidence to Mance as the author.
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    Please explain Ramsay and the Pink Letter.

    How would it benefit a victorious Stannis (I believe that was your position on this theory earlier) to lie to Jon, have him break his vows under false pretense, come to Winterfell and find out it was all a lie. Politically Jon would now be even more useless to him in the eyes of the realm. Jon broke his vows, arrived at a conquered Winterfell and made a fool of himself. I would be more inclined to believe Stannis as the author if he lost the battle, because the letter is very clearly a desperate attempt to taunt Jon into leaving. And I'll agree with Stannis potentially using similar language. He does have a very blunt demeanor in that he likes to call things what they are so it wouldn't be a huge leap to assume it was him. However, in context, Mance as the author makes more thematic sense when it comes to language used and context. We can get into breaking down the words and language of the letter if you want, but I am more interested in the earlier question - how does Stannis benefit from this if he wins the battle? I don't see how this is important. You are asking me to speculate with no evidence on who Mance could have convinced, blackmailed, bribed, threatened to help send a raven assuming he even needed help. This doesn't help flesh out the theory. The theory does not hinge on the detail of who might have helped him send a raven to CB.
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    Please explain Ramsay and the Pink Letter.

    I think it's only possible for the letter to exist is if Ramsay won the battle (or at least think he won the battle), regardless of if HE wrote it or not. If Stannis wins there is no real reason for Stannis or anyone else to taunt Jon. (because that is the purpose of the letter no matter who wrote it - to goad and taunt Jon into leaving CB) So if we go with that scenario - Ramsay wins, I think the likeliest contender is Mance. Two assumptions we have to make here are that the Spearwives didn't rat out Mance (because they were likely caught after helping Theon and Jeyne) and that Mance wasn't caught. Both of those are very plausible as Mance has his people's loyalty which was established many times before and Mance is a fairly smart chap himself. I'm not going to go into motives since there are a lot of scenarios and motives for each character to have written the letter. Mance's is obviously to get Jon to attack Winterfell and perhaps further reinforce whatever scheming is going on inside and outside the castle. Another strong reason for me and one that a lot of people overlook is the language used. Take away all the blood, skin, seal that wasn't there and look at the words used and how they are put together. False king, magic sword, red whore, King-beyond-the-wall, Mance Rayder, wildling princess, little prince, wildling babe, Black Crows. Take away the fact that all of those are things that Mance is explicitly aware of. He uses words that Ramsay or Stannis would not use or at least not if they for some reason roleplayed as a Wildling. The best reason for me personally is that this creates the most interesting scenario. There is uncertainty at Winterfell, we don't know who is alive or dead among the conspirators and Bolton loyalists, what happened to Stannis, Mance, his spearwives, Ramsay, Roose, Wyman, Barbrey etc. And we have potential prisoner/investigation type POV's with limited knowledge at Winterfell from either of the Greyjoy siblings assuming they were captured or snuck in.
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    Why do you all hate Sansa Stark?

    I think most readers (especially on the younger side) heavily identify with Sansa and her flaws. They like Arya more because that's how you'd like to be - rebellious, wild and brave, but in reality most people are constrained by the societal norms and therefore are more like Sansa - reserved, adaptive and selfish. This might be armchair psychology and projection, but that's what I think anyways.
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    The Stark sucession crisis and Arya the unlikely

    Why would she involve herself with exactly the type of men she has grown disdain for throughout her travels? Why would 'they' consider pressing a claim on Winterfell? Which northmen? Why do the remnants of the BWB care about any of this? If they don't know who rules the North, isn't the assumption Boltons and Freys? If so isn't that suicide? If not, why would she go against her siblings? Why would they invade the North? How would they invade the North? When has any of this been foreshadowed apart from Ned telling her she will be a queen someday? Why would Arya accept becoming a queen? Is Nymerias pack a political faction? I'm sorry, I broke down a little bit there. I'm sure there are good, rational answers to all of this.
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    Jon will get wightified, a theory by Lothar Frey

    Really makes you think.
  10. Not sure which, or even if it's relevant, but... ...gods he was strong then!
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    The relationship between Sansa and Robert Arryn

    I doubt he thinks of Sansa as a mother figure since he naively proposes marriage to her. But yeah, he is a pawn for Sansa, although I am sure she cares for him at least a little.
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    Jaime Lannister and Guest Rights

    Nobody is defending Jaime and what he did to Bran. Nobody questioned the Red Wedding until a guy with a Frey profile pic started a topic defending it. We really are starved for content here, aren't we?
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    Did Rhaegar have dragon dreams?

    We don't really have any evidence that would show Rhaegar had dragon dreams. Also there is no real reason to retroactively add that to his character. I think it's sufficient that he was highly intelligent, obsessed and quite mad.
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    Dark Sister

    It's probably in his mancave. If it was in someones possession at the wall or beyond the wall, it would have showed up by now. Or it could be hidden in one of the castles for whatever reason. Would be pretty funny if The George left a one-off line in one of the books that we all missed. Like "...and a slender old, dusty sword was hanging on the wall, but Sam could never get used to those things..."
  15. I think this is the crux of your argument so I will address it. Correct me if I'm wrong. First off, as in love, there are no rules in war. Second, there is a great deal of difference in rising up in rebellion and between attacking an army under pretence of alliance and safe haven. Inside the walls, the actual slaughter of Robb and his loyalists was a breach of guests right and therefore you think it is worse than the killing of his soldiers outside. And you are right, but just because one is a demonstrably worse action doesn't mean the other action is good. Inside is a breach of guest's right, outside is a breach of an alliance.
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