TalalOfDorne Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I guess we can say it was necessary kinslaying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealbando Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I guess we can say it was necessary kinslaying?Something like that, yes. I consider it a kill or be killed situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Something like that, yes. I consider it a kill or be killed situation...Or, to be more precise, the less common, and also less dramatic "kill, be killed, or accept the title of Lord of Storm's End" situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 All's fair in love and war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night'sQueen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Was Stannis's move against Renly simply kinslaying? Or was it a legitimate military manoeuvre?A legitimate military action would be to meet in battle like men and see who wins. Murder via evil shadowbaby is cowardly and reprehensible and worse than simple kinslaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilrob6 Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I'd say Renly got a little taste of Stannis' justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 A legitimate military action would be to meet in battle like men and see who wins. Murder via evil shadowbaby is cowardly and reprehensible and worse than simple kinslaying.Killing 1 via an assassin>Thousands dying in battle.Basically as Daud said, alls fair in love and war. Meeting like "men" should not factor in to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowyJon Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Killing 1 via an assassin>Thousands dying in battle.Basically as Daud said, alls fair in love and war. Meeting like "men" should not factor in to it.Then was the Red Wedding perfectly legitimate?Edit: I should mention that I think Stannis' assassination was ok. I actually liked Renly too but it's war. Someone has to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Killing 1 via an assassin>Thousands dying in battle.Lord Tywin concurs. You quoted him almost verbatim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night'sQueen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Killing 1 via an assassin>Thousands dying in battle.Basically as Daud said, alls fair in love and war. Meeting like "men" should not factor in to it.Disagree. And by meeting like men, I mean like humans who have honor. There is something so fundamentally wrong about the shadowbaby that I wouldn't advocate its use against the Mountain or any other character in ASoIaF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Disagree. And by meeting like men, I mean like humans who have honor. There is something so fundamentally wrong about the shadowbaby that I wouldn't advocate its use against the Mountain or any other character in ASoIaF.Samurai had honor and they used assassins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night'sQueen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Human assassins, I presume?My issue is solely with the evil dark magic. I find it very disappointing that Stannis employs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eating My Wings Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 My issue is solely with the evil electricity. I find it very disappointing that Stannis employs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night'sQueen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I'm curious, what would the feeling be if Renly had killed Stannis at the parley? Would that be defensible? Does that fall under "all's fair in love in war" if Renly had beat Stannis to a dirty trick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Walrus Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Human assassins, I presume?My issue is solely with the evil dark magic. I find it very disappointing that Stannis employs it.i don't think using magic to kill is anymore evil then killing someone with a sword or spear. It is simply a tool being used to fulfill it's purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBean Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I agree with the people saying that it was both. Though I don't think Stannis is being smart by using Melisandre's magic. She's been wrong so many times, it's only a matter of time before her magic screws up his campaign for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 An assassin is an assassin. I'm sure if magic was around in our world some Samurai clans would've no doubt made use of it, especially if it was more effective than a human killer.And I don't see what's dark and evil about it. Yes, it drains a person's life, but that's why the person has to make sure his target is worth it. Warging can be both good and evil, depending on how you use it. So can shadowmancy. It's all a matter of perspective in this case.Stannis didn't want to sacrifice his army, especially since he had a low chance of winning. It was a smart tactic, and it added troops to his army instead of reducing them. You don't want to waste men when you've got enemies on all sides.I don't think it's the fact that Stannis used an assassin that people find awful, it's the fact that this particular assassin popped out from between a woman's legs - and they don't appreciate that imagery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night'sQueen Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 It's a major failing among the cult of stanstans that no one will object to the shadowbabies.I'm still waiting for an answer about Renly violating the rules of a parley. Anyone? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I'm still waiting for an answer about Renly violating the rules of a parley. Anyone? Anyone?If Renly went on to gain cult status from a part of fandomon the scale Stannis has, then yeh i think opinions would be similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Who would object to common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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