Corvo Attano Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 First off, Disclaimer: Okay, so I'm aware that there is a substantial amount of evidence for Jon being the trueborn son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, which would give him the best blood claim to the Iron Throne, but for the purposes of this thread I'm not including him in the debate, because a) its very interesting to examine who out of Dany/Stan/fAegon has the strongest claim, and Its quite likely Jon will die in some sort of final blaze of glory or something near the end of the series. Also, I'm assuming Aegon is fake. Its a theory I strongly believe in, and I believe most of the board does too. And, this thread is only talking about blood claims, I'm not looking for a debate about right of conquest.Right then, Let's get started.DaenerysDany's claim is based on the fact that she believes she is the only remaining Targaryen. As the only remaining offspring of Aerys II, she would be the rightful heir to any lordship in Westeros. But the Targaryen succession works in such a way that all trueborn males come before any females. This is where the debate arises. What about male bastards? what about males with other names but Targaryen blood in their veins? Although you can use the argument that the other claimants are too far away from the main branch to have any decent claim, which would indeed make Dany the rightful heirStannisStannis may not be a Targaryen, but he still has a claim to the Iron Throne. His grandmother was Rhaelle Targaryen, who was the only daughter of Aegon V. In addition to that, House Baratheon is actually a cadet branch of House Targaryen - the founder of the house, Orys, was Aegon the Conqueror's half brother. This gives Stannis a claim to the Iron Throne, by dint of him being a trueborn male with Targaryen blood, and only being three generations away from the Targaryen main branch. However, debate arises because he does not have the name 'Targaryen', and it is unclear if female Targaryens come before males of other houses with Targaryen blood.(f)AegonThe Blackfyres were founded by Daemon Blackfyre, the eldest bastard of Aegon IV, and was legitimized on his [Aegon IV] deathbed, so we was actually a Targaryen in name as well as blood. If (f)Aegon is indeed his descendant, he will technically be a trueborn Targaryen, although very far-removed from the main branch - Indeed, much further away than Stannis. If you apply the "all trueborn males come first" argument, (f)Aegon will come before Dany. However, once Daemon took the name 'Blackfyre' is is unclear if he still counted as a trueborn Targaryen. It is also stressed that The Blackfyre's are extinct in the male line, and combined with the description of Illyrio's second wife Serra, it seems most likely that (f)Aegon is a Blackfyre of the female line, which would cast doubt on the "all trueborn males come first" argument - what about somebody born of the female line of a cadet branch? Are they too far away to have any decent claim, and does the 'born of the female line' part have any effect on the strength of your claim? If your mother is last in line (by dint of being female), and she then gives birth to you, where in the line of succession are you?Thoughts? Who has the strongest claim, and why?I'm aware that this may not be the best written thing ever - I'm not great at expressing myself - but try to translate my ramblings into something intelligible :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Aegon because he is making succesful moves.Dany isnt even trying and Stannis got beat all the way up to the Wall when he tried.plus Aegon presumably has the Spider in his corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis... Women can`t inherit the Throne and Aegon is Blackfyre thus illegitimate Targaryen offspring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Is it okay if I say Stannis because I'm biased? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groat Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis. Robert became king, and Stannis is his only legitimate heir left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis. Robert became king, and Stannis is his only legitimate heir left.Read the disclaimer. This thread is to discuss blood right, not anything to do with right of conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis... Women can`t inherit the Throne and Aegon is Blackfyre thus illegitimate Targaryen offspring.Daemon Blackfyre was legitimized, he was a true Targaryen.I get the feeling people aren't reading the OP in very much detail.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBlood Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis. Robert got the throne by right of conquest, thus ending Targaryen rule regardless if there were 50 more targ out there... (which it seems some people do think this lol) But Joff Myrcella and Tommen are incestuous bastards=no claim.Dany is a womenAegon is up in the air.... I for one REALLY hope he is real but he is not long for this world lol but refer to top ;)edit: oops me no read too good lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis. Robert got the throne by right of conquest, thus ending Targaryen rule regardless if there were 50 more targ out there... (which it seems some people do think this lol) But Joff Myrcella and Tommen are incestuous bastards=no claim.Dany is a womenAegon is up in the air.... I for one REALLY hope he is real but he is not long for this world lol but refer to top ;)To quote myself, literally two posts ago:Read the disclaimer. This thread is to discuss blood right, not anything to do with right of conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Daenerys Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Read the disclaimer. This thread is to discuss blood right, not anything to do with right of conquest.DaenerysStannisfAegon. He has more Targ blood than Stannis, but Stannis' great grandfather was king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Daemon Blackfyre was legitimized, he was a true Targaryen.I get the feeling people aren't reading the OP in very much detail..Don`t accuse me of not reading your OP... I do read it carefully, but after Blackfyre Rebellion Daemon started, all Blackfyres were disinherited, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Depending on your point of view, Aegon (because let's face it, there's no way anyone will openly prove he is false) or Stannis.Dany is the only one that will be seen as having a flimsy claim.The true answer though, is Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBlood Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 without right of conquest it can ONLY be Dany or Aegon, Dany is a chick so Aegon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groat Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Read the disclaimer. This thread is to discuss blood right, not anything to do with right of conquest.lol sorry I missed the last sentence of your disclaimer. You should really make it clear that you're asking who has the best claim as being head of house Targaryen. If right of conquest has nothing to do with it, then none of the Targaryens were actually kings either.If that's what you're asking, then clearly Dany, as Aegon is fake and Dany is much more Targaryen than Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrunderhill Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Stannis... Women can`t inherit the Throne and Aegon is Blackfyre thus illegitimate Targaryen offspring.Blackfyres are legitimised, but have probably been barred from the line of succession. Even if they had not, Aegon would be behind the Baratheons.As for the women, they could not inherit the Iron Throne whilst close male relatives were still about. Dany can definitely make the case, that the Baratheons are too distant to take come before her. The Targaryen rules of succession are not very clear and many arguments could be made.Either way Stannis has by far the strongest claim out of the group, then Dany and if Aegon is fake then even the Martells might have a stronger claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 Don`t accuse me of not reading your OP... I do read it carefully, but after Blackfyre Rebellion Daemon started, all Blackfyres were disinherited, right?Good point. It could be up in the air as to whether that was counted as having been lifted though, once it was believed that The Blackfyres were extinct. But you're probably right, fAegon is most likely out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 1. Stannis2. Dany - femaleNot at all: fAegon Blackfyre. The Blackfyres were taken completely out of the inheritance chain after losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Daenerys because she was the daughter of Aerys II and therefore the closest blood-relative to the last Targaryen king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBlood Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Good point. It could be up in the air as to whether that was counted as having been lifted though, once it was believed that The Blackfyres were extinct. But you're probably right, fAegon is most likely out.assuming he is in fact fake which I dont buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Daenerys because she was the daughter of Aerys II and therefore the closest blood-relative to the last Targaryen king.Except that females can't inherit the IT for themselves. Rhaego, yes. Dany, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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