Squire Dalbridge Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 As for Wylla it seems confirmed that she was/is the wetnurse at Starfall. It's possible that she was at the Tower of Joy (perhaps bought by Arthur Dayne) and knows about R+L=J and may have agreed to be Ned's cover story.And back in Starfall it is assumed that she happened to give birth to a child during the trip, no matter if she didn't show any signs of pregnancy beforehand... Of course it may be that she didn't stay in Starfall before the ToJ, and instead was living someplace else until she was founded (by Arthur Dayne, Howland Reed or Ned) to be Jon's wet nurse. But why would she then end up being an actual wet nurse in Starfall, if Ned took the baby with him and there being no baby to nurse? And if the dead Arthur was her only tie to Starfall? Confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I think that Wylla was in fact the Starfall wet nurse in the first place, hence why Arthur Dayne thought she could be trusted to tend to Lyanna at the ToJ and why Ned trusted her to be his cover story.As for the lack of pregnancy, well she was presumably low born so most people would pay little attention to her. Plus she would have been looking after Lyanna at the ToJ for some time, long enough for her to have supposedly gotten pregnant and had a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Dalbridge Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I suppose so, that's the only reasonable explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I think that Wylla was in fact the Starfall wet nurse in the first place, hence why Arthur Dayne thought she could be trusted to tend to Lyanna at the ToJ and why Ned trusted her to be his cover story.As for the lack of pregnancy, well she was presumably low born so most people would pay little attention to her. Plus she would have been looking after Lyanna at the ToJ for some time, long enough for her to have supposedly gotten pregnant and had a child.Well, either Wylla had been a wetnurse for some time before Jon was born, or she herself just had a baby recently (presuming Jon was not hers). Otherwise, there would be no breast milk. Any evidence as to whether or not Wylla had prior children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Well, either Wylla had been a wetnurse for some time before Jon was born, or she herself just had a baby recently (presuming Jon was not hers). Otherwise, there would be no breast milk. Any evidence as to whether or not Wylla had prior children?The very fact that she was a wetnurse suggests that she'd had a kid previously. It seems to me that they'd want to use someone who was already lactating rather than go to the trouble of inducing artificially. There's no telling how long ago that might have been though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Where did Ramsay lock up Donella? He seized her on the road returning from the harvest feast at WF and married her that night. Then Wyman seized Hornwood Castle. Ramsay locked her in a tower amd Rodrik smashed the door down to get her. He found Reek & Ramsay on Hornwood land. The lands were adjacent to Bolton lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Where did Ramsay lock up Donella? He seized her on the road returning from the harvest feast at WF and married her that night. Then Wyman seized Hornwood Castle. Ramsay locked her in a tower amd Rodrik smashed the door down to get her. He found Reek & Ramsay on Hornwood land. The lands were adjacent to Bolton lands.Just some random tower not part of any castle, like Queenscrown or the Tower of Joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Just some random tower not part of any castle, like Queenscrown or the Tower of Joy.For real or your best (and very good) guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 For real or your best (and very good) guess?Just an educated guess, I don't know anything you don't. The tower is only mentioned in passing and only as "a tower." As you say Ramsey was caught on Hornwood lands so it stands to reason that the tower was also on Hornwood lands. There are a few examples of little villages centered around a tower or small holdfast. I think Jamie comes across one in the Riverlands before Brienne takes him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Just an educated guess, I don't know anything you don't. The tower is only mentioned in passing and only as "a tower." As you say Ramsey was caught on Hornwood lands so it stands to reason that the tower was also on Hornwood lands. There are a few examples of little villages centered around a tower or small holdfast. I think Jamie comes across one in the Riverlands before Brienne takes him away.I'll go ahead and say it again: Very good guess! It's either that or Rodrik bulled his way into the Dreadfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waymar is Back Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 In aGoT Ned says renly showed him a picture of margaery excitedly and expected Ned to think she looks like lyanna. Knowing what we know about renly doesn't this exchange seem sort of strange to anyone else? I mean it's like renly wants to show margaery off to people but I always thought he was sort of apathetic towards her for obvious reasons and just married her for highgarden and to have a queen. Sorry if it seems like I'm lacking a question here but it struck me as odd and I wondered if anyone else had thoughts about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeny Dae Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Could Septa Lemore be Wylla?She shows signs of childbirth ie stretchmarks, and would be around the same age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 In aGoT Ned says renly showed him a picture of margaery excitedly and expected Ned to think she looks like lyanna. Knowing what we know about renly doesn't this exchange seem sort of strange to anyone else? I mean it's like renly wants to show margaery off to people but I always thought he was sort of apathetic towards her for obvious reasons and just married her for highgarden and to have a queen. Sorry if it seems like I'm lacking a question here but it struck me as odd and I wondered if anyone else had thoughts about this?Renly wasn't excited about Marge herself, but about the prospect that he could get Robert to fall in love with her and set aside Cersei in favour of Marge. Renly had bad relations with Cersei, but using the Renly->Loras->Marge connection, he would stand to gain a very powerful position in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waymar is Back Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Renly wasn't excited about Marge herself, but about the prospect that he could get Robert to fall in love with her and set aside Cersei in favour of Marge. Renly had bad relations with Cersei, but using the Renly->Loras->Marge connection, he would stand to gain a very powerful position in that case.ah, ok, thank you, just read the part where Robert tells Ned renly mentioned margaery to him as well, makes much more sense now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Is there any indication of recreational opiate use in the books? Opium dens in flea bottom or some strung out maester maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAgro Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The Mountain that Rides drinks Milk of the poppy which is an opiate i think.He must get it from somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Elsa Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Could Septa Lemore be Wylla?She shows signs of childbirth ie stretchmarks, and would be around the same ageSepta Lemore's true identity is not yet known. There are bunch of theories that say she's Ashara Dayne or even Lyanna Stark. Until GRRM or the books say otherwise, Septa Lemore is Septa Lemore who Tyrion saw has stretch marks that show she borne a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not in the face Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Was Renly a knight? I can't recall anyone calling him Ser Renly. Also was he on Greenstone with the Estermonts during the rebellion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Was Renly a knight? I can't recall anyone calling him Ser Renly. Also was he on Greenstone with the Estermonts during the rebellion?I think it's mentioned at one point that Loras was his squire, which would make him a Knight. I have it in my head that he was in Storms End during the Rebellion but I'm not 100% sure.Edit: no one would call him Ser because he's the Lord of Storms end and I guess a prince also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Renly was in SE during RR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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