Size of the Lannister army at the end of ADWD

[The Monkey]

In the epilogue to ADwD, we learn that the Lannister troops in King's Landing are heavily outnumbered by the Tyrell forces, and and the bulk of the Lannister army is said to be "melting away" in the Riverlands following Jaime's departure. Now, I assume Kevan send someone out to collect the troops and reorganize them, but it begs the question how many men the Lannisters can actually field at this point when they inevitably have to go to war again.

[N/A]

i'd put it at 15-25k

[Señor de la Tormenta]

I recomend you to read the casterly rock gold thred. yesterday we had a strong debate about this and we reached good conclutions.

[Nyrhex]

Tywin starts with 20,000 (and added 300 clansmen). After the Green Fork he loses around a 1,000 tops (the Van lost 500, and all around I guestimate another 500 from Kevan's center). After the Fords at least that again (Gregor lost hundreds in just one assault, nearly blocking the flow of the river, and other commanders were repulses several times at heavy cost). After the Blackwater (light casualties, Tywin arrived late, and faced only a few hundreds), the siege of Dragonstone (close to a 1,000 casualties), and the troops used by Tarly for Duskendale (at least a few hundreds), the loss of the Brave Companions and the garrison of HH, Tywin's host should still have around 15-17,000 men, around 10-12,000 infantry, around 5,000 horse.

Jaime's Host started with 15,000 men. He had light casualties after two battles, then lost nearly all his horse in the WW, and most of the army at the Camps, leaving Forley Prester with only 4,000 men, half archers, half spears.

Stafford raised a host of 10,000 men, mostly fresh levies, but was completely destroyed.

So, take what is left, and the Lannisters can raise ~20,000 veterans of the WOT5K. Stafford lost the new batch of recruits, and with the scouring of the Westerlands, there isn't much more.

[Señor de la Tormenta]

why dont you read the thread I said Lazy boys? Tyeinn army was disbanded by cersei after he died. Daven army is the spoils of staffords one. The only men of tywinns army still active are the few jaime took to riverlands, and maybe a 1000 send with loras to dragonstone.

All toghether not even 5000.

[Nyrhex]

why dont you read the thread I said Lazy boys? Tyeinn army was disbanded by cersei after he died. Daven army is the spoils of staffords one. The only men of tywinns army still active are the few jaime took to riverlands, and maybe a 1000 send with loras to dragonstone.

All toghether not even 5000.

The OP's question was not how many men are currently fielded by the Lannisters, rather how many can the Lannisters field if they need to get back on a war footing? They have very fre now, as the war seemed to be over for some time, and so they sent men home. Now after Aegon landed, they have around 20,000 men to raise for war.

[Señor de la Tormenta]

oh ok. if that is the case I would guess 30k men. 5k who are alredy at arms. 20k vetereans. and 5k freshmen. maybe more freshmen.

and I would use the freaking gold and hire as many companys as yunkai.

[Morienthar]

I'd say they can field a few thousand vets(about 7000-9000) and about 20,000-30,000 recruits if need be.

[Fightbringer]

Tywin starts with 20,000 (and added 300 clansmen). After the Green Fork he loses around a 1,000 tops (the Van lost 500, and all around I guestimate another 500 from Kevan's center). After the Fords at least that again (Gregor lost hundreds in just one assault, nearly blocking the flow of the river, and other commanders were repulses several times at heavy cost). After the Blackwater (light casualties, Tywin arrived late, and faced only a few hundreds), the siege of Dragonstone (close to a 1,000 casualties), and the troops used by Tarly for Duskendale (at least a few hundreds), the loss of the Brave Companions and the garrison of HH, Tywin's host should still have around 15-17,000 men, around 10-12,000 infantry, around 5,000 horse.

Jaime's Host started with 15,000 men. He had light casualties after two battles, then lost nearly all his horse in the WW, and most of the army at the Camps, leaving Forley Prester with only 4,000 men, half archers, half spears.

Stafford raised a host of 10,000 men, mostly fresh levies, but was completely destroyed.

So, take what is left, and the Lannisters can raise ~20,000 veterans of the WOT5K. Stafford lost the new batch of recruits, and with the scouring of the Westerlands, there isn't much more.

dont forget the men tywin lost when he was trying to make it to riverrun before the starks, its mentioned by tyrion that tywin lost quite few men on that march

[Nyrhex]

dont forget the men tywin lost when he was trying to make it to riverrun before the starks, its mentioned by tyrion that tywin lost quite few men on that march

Yeah, he did mention men breaking and running off or just dying on the side of the road. Still, it's around 20,000 men total. Remanents of Stafford's host, 4,000 of Forley's, ~15,000 of Tywin's host. Out of that ~20,000 men, some few thousends are still in service, while most are demobilised.

@ Mr Monopoly,

20,000 is already including the ones still in service. I also doubt that they can raise another 5,000 so quickly, considering that they need to man the garrisons of castles taken by Robb, and most of the guys that were recruitable were already in Stafford's host. Hell, Tywin's host had fieldhands and levies already at the off, with the standing men at arms, so Stafford's host was scraping the barrel.

[The Monkey]

Yeah, they can probably raise 20,000 men or more, given enough time, but there're only a couple of thousand that are still mobilized. Compare this to the Tyrells (and their bannermen), they have what, 50,000 soldiers still on the field? Given that, it seems like Cersei's decision to send home the troops in AFFC ranks among her most idiotic decisions.

[Lord Stunny]

Logic cannot and assumptions cannot be used in this.. GRRM can produce 100000 lannister men of he wants

[Bright Blue Eyes]

~3,000 under arms, split between Dragonstone, Riverrun, Darry, some camp between Riverrun and Raventree, Casterly Rock and Kings Landing.

Another ~15,000 at home, decommisioned and very, very unlikely to be successfully called back before spring at the earliest. Twice as unlikely if Cersei is in charge instead of Kevan or Jaime - who are dead or MIA.

Logic cannot and assumptions cannot be used in this.. GRRM can produce 100000 lannister men of he wants

He could - but he'd be a bad writer to do that. And he isn't a bad writer.

[Artos Stark]

They are pretty depleted, I would say TOPS 20,000 troops

[Señor de la Tormenta]

take kastarks as an example. 3 times levys were done in their lands. First with robb, then with cassel and finally arnolf. Probably first one was around 4000, last one 500 confirmed. And no veteran come back to karhold.

lannister did 2 fresh levys. First one of 20k second one of 10k and I would gess by karstark numbers last one could be around 2k.

I would say you may call back half of the veterans, some 10k plus 4k men still at arms.... probably roughtly 15-20k men.

[Señor de la Tormenta]

Im also surprised there are not war ships ever mentioned in lannisport. as wardens of the west seams kind of strange.

the crown had his own fleet, so did the tyrells and even manderlys. Its really strange given how close they are from iron ilands.

[Free Northman]

The Lannisters have a permanent warfleet of about 30 ships, according to Martin. They have the biggest fleet after the Crown, the Redwynnes and the Ironborn. Although Manderly now has a bigger fleet as well.

[Señor de la Tormenta]

The Lannisters have a permanent warfleet of about 30 ships, according to Martin. They have the biggest fleet after the Crown, the Redwynnes and the Ironborn. Although Manderly now has a bigger fleet as well.

so here they got a big card that wasnt been played.... it strange dough it is not mentioned to fix greyjoy problem or unlist help and redwyne fleet had to round all westeros to deal with grejoy even leaving stone dragons siege....

I think martin just made a mistake there.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

The Lannisters have a permanent warfleet of about 30 ships, according to Martin. They have the biggest fleet after the Crown, the Redwynnes and the Ironborn. Although Manderly now has a bigger fleet as well.

Do you know how it is composed? How many of them are actual wargalleys instead of longships?

[Belisarius09]

IIRC Tywinn's army of some 15k troops were used to take Dragonstone. I presume they are still there. Jaime had a fairly small fore of what was it, 4k? to finally take Riverrun, but Kevan reports this force is melting away in the Riverlands. There's also the 500 men Jaime sent to escort Robb's wife Jeyne Westerling back to the westerlands.

The allies of the Lannisters, the houses of the reach have considerably more at this point. Tarly took his forces to first Duskendale and then went about restoring order in the area around Maidenpool before hurrying back to KL to rescue Margaery. Mace took his host to siege SE. Meanwhile Garlan was recruiting men to take Brightwater keep before e had to turn his attention to the shield islands once the Ironborn showed up.. Thei Hightowers are fortifying Oldtown. The combined might of the Reach is likely around 80k still.