kothetimeless Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 A thought about the "Second Sons"... Tyrion is Tywin's (possibly Aerys') Second Son.Jon is Ned's (possibly Rhaegar's) Second SonAny other "Second Sons" we should think about? Ned, Bran, The Hound, Stannis, Red Viper, Sam Tarly's brother??Could there be a possible deeper link to second sons?</crackpotidea> </iwouldbelesscrazyifwindsofwinterwouldjustcomeout> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzorAhai42 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Second Sons definitely seem to be important in the books, but it could totally just be a coincidence. Tommen Baratheon is also a second son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aderyn the Sly Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Don't forget the Blackfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kothetimeless Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kothetimeless Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Second Sons definitely seem to be important in the books, but it could totally just be a coincidence. Tommen Baratheon is also a second son.Don't forget the Blackfish.Good finds! Seems that there could be more to this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan the Average Sized Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think they're important in general throughout the series.In GOT Cersei talks about Ned being the second son, raised to take orders rather than giving them. Second sons seem to fit the unlikely hero mold that Martin seems fond of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheswamp Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 First sons rarely live long in A Song of Ice and Fire.Euron Greyjoy, Kevan Lannister, Robett Glover, Mors Umber, and many others.Second sons seem to be of one of two molds, either very servile (Ned, Kevan) or very rebellious (Tyrion, Blackfish, Oberyn, Euron) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Viserys, Lyn Corbray, Garlan Tyrell, Trystane Martell, Stannis the Mannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendel Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Of second sons, Emmon Frey, Baelor I, Viserys II, Aemon the Dragonknight, Aerion Brightflame, Robar Royce spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dayne Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Arthur Dayne was a second son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Little known fact: Over 90% of all family units with at least two male children contain a second son.Really, in a cast with a four figure number of characters, there should be a vast number of second sons. Unless there's a common denominator that sets them apart from first sons (Robb, Jorah, Sam, Joff, Doran, Tywin, Balon, LF, Rhaegar, Jon Arryn, Jon Con, Jon Snow (yep, he's both a first and a second son), Robert, Sweetrobin, ...), there's no theme yet.Common characteristics that I do see are mainly that while the first son has his place in the world already made, the second son must search for it to escape his older brother's shadow (or accept to be overshadowed, like Kevan or Vicky). This increases the possibility of them joining orders like the KG (Dayne, Aemon the Dragonknight, Bran's plan), and if they do come into their own, it makes that development all the more impressive. But... that's nothing specific to the series, it's just a logical dose of realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion10 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Euron isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kothetimeless Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think they're important in general throughout the series.In GOT Cersei talks about Ned being the second son, raised to take orders rather than giving them. Second sons seem to fit the unlikely hero mold that Martin seems fond of.First sons rarely live long in A Song of Ice and Fire.Euron Greyjoy, Kevan Lannister, Robett Glover, Mors Umber, and many others.Second sons seem to be of one of two molds, either very servile (Ned, Kevan) or very rebellious (Tyrion, Blackfish, Oberyn, Euron)I like this idea. First sons have the pressure to make a name for themselves, and often end up getting killed because they dip into the game of thrones. Second sons become more prevalent, because... they're the ones who stay alive most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Euron isn't.Er...I think he is.I've just noticed that there are more first sons than second sons in this series. How interesting is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Snow Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I've just noticed that there are more first sons than second sons in this series. How interesting is that?That can't be right... are you sure?? :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion10 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Er...I think he is.Quellon had three wives and nine sons, of which only four survived to adulthood. Euron is 2nd surviving son, but not 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aderyn the Sly Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Quellon had three wives and nine sons, of which only four survived to adulthood. Euron is 2nd surviving son, but not 2ndTechnically he is the fifth, to be fair though Euron is the second son of Quellon Greyjoy by his second wife of House Sunderly. (Not sure if that accounts for anything though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Quellon had three wives and nine sons, of which only four survived to adulthood. Euron is 2nd surviving son, but not 2nd:worried: Then I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany Girl Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Ramsey is a second son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Manhood-Eating Goat Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I'm a second son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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