NorthRemembers10 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 No I really don't think that he knows about it. The only way he would know would be if one of the Kingsguard members before him wrote it in the book that the Kingsguard recall their history in. I don't think any Kingsguards though lived to write it if any knew at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggie Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 If new-personality, one-handed Jaime knew Jon was Rhaegar's son, that information would be too important to do...well, nothing with.Yep. It cannot come out of nowhere at this point. Unless it is written very well, possibly a weirwood dream, possibly Bran being a BAMF, possibly Jaime encountering someone (Howland Reed, X isn't really X, he/she is Y or Z or YZ/X=U unless Z isn't Z and Z is X(someone help me with that)).Obviously the end of that sentence goes from good writing to bad to good to extremely horrific. You hopefully get the point.And if his reading/pointing out to Loras about the Kingmaker is a clue as to his intentions toward Jon, he's certainly taking his dear sweet time making a move, isn't he? Gotta admit I don't remember/didn't catch a Loras/Kingmaker connection. Care to tell me a tale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastplate Stretcha Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I hope he finds out and in a repeat I history he takes the place of Criston Cole the Kingmaker and crowns JonThis is an idea I like more and more as I keep thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 This is an idea I like more and more as I keep thinking about it. this is what I want to happen... Unless Arthur Dayne is alive in which case I want Arthur to crown him but he is prolly dead sooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Lion Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Gotta admit I don't remember/didn't catch a Loras/Kingmaker connection. Care to tell me a tale?I don't have the book with me at the moment, but the Cliff Notes version is that Jaime remarks to Loras that Criston Cole "The Kingmaker" was among the best and the worst of the KG. Cole crowned a sister (I think?) instead of a son, leading to the first Dance of Dragons and dividing the KG against itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I don't have the book with me at the moment, but the Cliff Notes version is that Jaime remarks to Loras that Criston Cole "The Kingmaker" was among the best and the worst of the KG. Cole crowned a sister (I think?) instead of a son, leading to the first Dance of Dragons and dividing the KG against itself.no the king before had no sons from his first marriage and only a daughter so he raise her to be his replacement but Criston Cole didn't like that so he crowned a son from a later marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Lion Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 no the king before had no sons from his first marriage and only a daughter so he raise her to be his replacement but Criston Cole didn't like that so he crowned a son from a later marriageSee, I told you I didn't have to book with me! :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorth's1stKnight Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 no its doubtful jaime knew about this bc he was ordered to guard the mad king and stay close to him while rhaeger and his white brothers fought robert and the rebels. i still think only ned and howland reed know about jon snows parents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonman1979 Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I don't believe Jaime knows but I do believe it would be intriguing if he were the one to learn it in the books first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimus Stone Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 I know we don't like to mention the show and book in the same breath but when Jamie confronted Jon Snow at Winterfell about joining the nights watch, I found that scene to be very interesting. Why did Jamie feel the need to go up to Jon. He had no reason to speak to a bastard unless he knew more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenerationx Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Ditto on the "don't think he know"s but... what I find interesting about the passage you quoted is that it's a little forced for a dig. I mean, *all bastards from the North are called Snow* so 1) it's a bit ham-handed to be like, "Oh what was his name again?" if he meant the kid's surname, when it's common knowledge about bastards from the North; 2) it's so generic it doesn't even apply to just Jon; and 3) he already says "bastard he fathered" before that, so it's not like the reminder of Snow being Jon's last name is the "punchline." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 If this was true, I think some hint of it would pop up in his POV, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targed&Feathered Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 CObR, I've been trying to get that exact point across for a few days now.. they will NOT entertain it on the R+L=J threads at all, saying that Ned had Jon & his wet nurse arrive ahead of him at WF to throw folks off the trail, & one poster succinctly informed me that he/she found it annoying that other posters didn't feel it was presented as 'likely' that Ned fathered Jon, in the books. I still maintain that SOME of Westeros's 'best & brightest' MUST have suspected, & further, when R+L=J IS announced to Westeros at large, one or two of them (Lady Olenna? Gemma Lanister?) will say, if only to themselves, 'I KNEW it, dammit!' Meantime, good luck making this point round here, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targed&Feathered Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Having said I do think a person or two probably suspected Jon's heritage, I don't think Jamie was one of them. It would be too valuable for him to sit on, for one thing, but as close as he is to Cersei? They'd surely have discussed it at some point & even if Jamie's discretion could be counted on, which I doubt, HERS decidedly could not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Still, the general knowledge among the Westerosi nobility is:Rhaegar and Lyanna were somewhere off sexing for some monthsSuper honorable Ned Stark came back from the south with an infant bastard and the corpse of his sisterI am not saying it should be somehow obvious, but the idea apparently never really occuring to anyone is a little bit weirdThis part is not supported by the text. If Jon was sent to Winterfell separately, the Dorne connection would be lost entirely. Furthermore, Ned certainly didn't advertise that he fathered a bastard and certainly never gave the date of his birth and/or arrival at Winterfell, so the timeline connection would be lost for most of Westeros, as well. They would only learn months to years later that Lord Stark has a bastard whom he fathered during the war - such a common occurence that no-one ever stops to think about it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Most people in the RK or from house targeryen believed Rhaegar was in love with Lyanna. e.g Dany said he loved her, probably from Viserys' stories, who was old enough at that time to know a bit of what was going on, Barristan also from the RK believed Rhaegar loved her.Jaime was in the RK so he probably knew that Rhaegar loved her but I don't know if he knows they had a son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 If he even suspected it he would have used it to his advantage some how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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