Lazy Lion Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 As a member of Aerys' KG, Jaime would be privy to almost anything happening in KL, perhaps including Rhaegar and Lyanna. I was rereading again and came across a passage near the end of CoK, where captive Jaime is talking to Catelyn:"That name again. I don't think I'll fuck you after all, Littlefinger had you first, didn't he? I never eat off another man's trencher. Besides, you're not half so lovely as my sister." His smile cut. "I've never lain with any woman but Cersei. In my own way, I have been truer to her than your Ned ever was. Poor old dead Ned. So who has shit for honor now, I ask you? What was the name of that bastard he fathered?"Catelyn took a step backward. "Brienne.""No, that wasn't it." Jaime Lannister upended his flagon. A trickle ran onto his face, bright as blood. "Snow, that was the one. Such a white name...like the pretty cloaks they give us in the Kingsguard when we swear our pretty oaths."I don't for a second think that Jaime believed Littlefinger's claim to bedding Cat (Tyrion didn't, at any rate.), so clearly he was just drilling for a nerve. Was the bit about Ned fathering a bastard nothing more than another jab? It makes sense to pair his (stained) white cloak with Ned's bastard son, speaking about honor. But he never said a word about it to Ned himself, despite Ned's obvious views about Jaime's (lack of) honor. My reread has since taken me through most of SoS, and I've been looking for any mention in Jaime's chapters about Jon Snow...but nothing. On the one hand this is hardly suspicious: why would he be thinking about a dead man's bastard on the Wall? But there was also nothing to dispel my suspicion. I dunno; maybe I've been reading too many theories pages, but my spidey sense is tingling... :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I don't think Jaime knows about R+L=J. He'd have mentioned it either to Brienne in Harrenhal or maybe thinking about it when he remembers his last moments with Rhaegar.Everyone in the Red Keep knew that Rhaegar had "abducted" Lyanna, so Jaime would obviously know about them, but not about Jon's true parentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingInTheCave Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I don't think Jaime knows about R+L=J. He'd have mentioned it either to Brienne in Harrenhal or maybe thinking about it when he remembers his last moments with Rhaegar.Everyone in the Red Keep knew that Rhaegar had "abducted" Lyanna, so Jaime would obviously know about them, but not about Jon's true parentage.We don't know that they thought he abdudcted her. They might have known that she went with him willingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 We don't know that they thought he abdudcted her. They might have known that she went with him willingly.I think only at that time Ser Arthur, Oswell and then later on Ser Gerold knew she went willingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Lion Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 The more I think about it, the weirder it strikes me that Jaime never threw Jon Snow in Ned's face.Though to be fair, the HBO Series played up their antagonism way more than the books did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I think only at that time Ser Arthur, Oswell and then later on Ser Gerold knew she went willingly.I think Elia knew it too. Rhaegar, at least, should have told her it when he came back to KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I think Elia knew it too. Rhaegar, at least, should have told her it when he came back to KL.Maybe her as well, so I think Rhagear told only those whom he trusted completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Maybe her as well, so I think Rhagear told only those whom he trusted completely.But then, he didn't trust Barristan, Jaime, Martell, and Darry or Derry, I don't remember his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0bR Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I find it kinda ridiculous nobody ever even entertains the idea of Jon Snow being Lyanna's son... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 If Jaime knew, we would know too, since we are in his head for half of AFFC. Besides, R+L=J is still a theory, strong and based it is, but still not 100% sure, not until we learn that Lyanna was Jon's mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I hope he finds out and in a repeat I history he takes the place of Criston Cole the Kingmaker and crowns Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I hope he finds out and in a repeat I history he takes the place of Criston Cole the Kingmaker and crowns JonWow. That would be extremly epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I hope he finds out and in a repeat I history he takes the place of Criston Cole the Kingmaker and crowns JonI think he'll find out about Jon and support him instead of Cersei for King.But then, he didn't trust Barristan, Jaime, Martell, and Darry or Derry, I don't remember his name.Ser Arthur and Whent were close friends that helped him "abduct" Lyanna, so they knew from the start, and then Ser Gerold had to be told so he could stay at the Tower of Joy.I think he only told people who were very close to him personally (except Aerys). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheswamp Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Jaime is too self-centered to think about such things. Hell, after he gets Edmure to surrender Riverrun, he isn't thinking about all the lives he saved, but about showing up his aunt for implying he wasn't Tywin's son. I think the Dayne siblings, Oswell, Elia, and Benjen knew that Lyanna went willingly. Maybe, Lonmouth and Rhaegar's other squire as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingInTheCave Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I find it kinda ridiculous nobody ever even entertains the idea of Jon Snow being Lyanna's son...No one in Westeros was inside Ned's head the way we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Lion Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 No one in Westeros was inside Ned's head the way we were.At least not until that spike on the wall of the Red Keep....Too soon? :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingInTheCave Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 At least not until that spike on the wall of the Red Keep....Too soon? :frown5:Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondoggie Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 From Jaimes wiki page.As Robert's Rebellion grew, Aerys refused to let Jaime join the royal army, instead keeping him in King's Landing to be used as a potential hostage against Lord Tywin, who had yet to choose a side in the conflict. Aerys appointed several Hands throughout the war, but never invited Tywin to take up his old office. Eventually Jaime was the only White Cloak in the capital.The last line says quite a bit.He doesn't know. He likes to talk and would have used this information, as others have stated. Jaime is Kingsguard and Aerys kept him close, a hostage. I think it becomes a safe assumption that Jaime and Rhaegar interacted on a fairly limited basis due to this, and the fact that Rhaegar was known as a traveler for reasons such as tourneys, visiting the ruins, checking out talent, etc...Jaime doesn't know. The last piece to the puzzle would be that if he did know, he would be seeking Jon out right now to maintain his honor, or be killed by him (possibly..) Basically pulling a Selmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0bR Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 No one in Westeros was inside Ned's head the way we were.Still, the general knowledge among the Westerosi nobility is:Rhaegar and Lyanna were somewhere off sexing for some monthsSuper honorable Ned Stark came back from the south with an infant bastard and the corpse of his sisterI am not saying it should be somehow obvious, but the idea apparently never really occuring to anyone is a little bit weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Lion Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Jaime doesn't know. The last piece to the puzzle would be that if he did know, he would be seeking Jon out right now to maintain his honor, or be killed by him (possibly..) Basically pulling a Selmy.You have a point there. If new-personality, one-handed Jaime knew Jon was Rhaegar's son, that information would be too important to do...well, nothing with.And if his reading/pointing out to Loras about the Kingmaker is a clue as to his intentions toward Jon, he's certainly taking his dear sweet time making a move, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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