STANNIS THE GREAT KING Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Before he met Berric, it was described that he was not a really good red priest, but he still managed to revive Berric 7 times in total. He also became better in his power. Was there supposed to be some purpose behind his awakening of powers or just something GRRM put in to give Thoros some kind of back story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork of House Orange Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Dragons happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Thoros has never learned anything about resurrection I believe. He didn't knew he had this kind of powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutraven Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Beric was killed at the Mummer's Ford by The Mountain, Thoros gave him a R'hllor funeral with burial rights and accidentally revived him. This was due to the return of dragons, which is said to have bought about the return of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsnag Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I've always thought it was the return of magic/dragons to the world, plus certain Gods plan for Beric to resurect Cat. I don't think the Red God (or whichever god) would allow just anyone to be resurrected 7 times, unless he had a purpose to fulfil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I don't think resurrection has anything to do with magic.Thoros never learned anything about resurrection so if the dragons returning has any part to play with resurrection doesn't that mean everyone has resurrection powers?I just find it a little odd. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STANNIS THE GREAT KING Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Beric was killed at the Mummer's Ford by The Mountain, Thoros gave him a R'hllor funeral with burial rights and accidentally revived him. This was due to the return of dragons, which is said to have bought about the return of magic.A return of magic? But Moqorro or Melisandre did not have such a boost or powerup when the dragons were born; only Thoros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Dragons happenedWhatever caused the return of dragons, happened. I'm not convinced dragons are the cause, merely another effect of the same phenomenon (that we don't know the details of, if any). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentree Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 A return of magic? But Moqorro or Melisandre did not have such a boost or powerup when the dragons were born; only Thoros.Alchemists and that one random stage magician in Qarth did get powerups. Guess it varies from spell to spell, shadowbabies are probably not fiery enough to benefit and we have no clue about Moqorro's powers before the dragons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork of House Orange Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Whatever caused the return of dragons, happened. I'm not convinced dragons are the cause, merely another effect of the same phenomenon (that we don't know the details of, if any).What came first, the chicken or the egg? I agree however, we don't know the details.Thoros is just very 'talented' for that stuff I think. Just like one in a thousand first men have skinchanging abilities, some of them are more powerful than others. There is power in his blood, if you will, and the return of magic to the world has awaken that power as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tormund's beard Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 thoros = rhllor as in tom bombadill = illuvatar a.k.a odin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Yes, that's it. Magic happened. I believe Dragons bring back the magic, but that's just a guess. It may well be the other way around or something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Glokta Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I propose a new theory:The Seven revived Beric 7 times, so he could bring back Cat (a devout follower of the Seven) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakaman Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I propose a new theory:The Seven revived Beric 7 times, so he could bring back Cat (a devout follower of the Seven)Do we actually have any explicit examples of the Seven (or followers thereof) doing anything "magical"? We have examples of the Red God (i.e. Thoros, Melisandre, etc), and of the old gods (green-seeing, heart trees, etc), but I'm not aware of a single example of anything for the Seven in the books. Maybe not even a legend or myth. I've wondered if the Seven were "manufactured" by the Maesters as part of their "kill all magic" consipiracy.In GRRM's world, magic seems to be a pool that is only accessible (or only expresses itself) at certain times. Do events in the world affect access, or is it a natural phenomena that waxes and wanes like the tide or phases of the moon? Did the dragons bring magic back, or did they return because magic returned? Did Thoros access powers previously beyond him because the dragons returned, or was it coincidental?A prophecy sort of makes sense if there is a rhythmic aspect to the world - magic ebbing and flowing like a sine wave. Many aspects of magic are returning all at once, all over the world - dragons are simply the most noteworthy and romantic. The Others, the Maesters candles, the Red God.I tend to be skeptical of the Seven because amidst this great awakening of magic in the world, the Seven have been silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozentree Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Do we actually have any explicit examples of the Seven (or followers thereof) doing anything "magical"? We have examples of the Red God (i.e. Thoros, Melisandre, etc), and of the old gods (green-seeing, heart trees, etc), but I'm not aware of a single example of anything for the Seven in the books. Maybe not even a legend or myth. I've wondered if the Seven were "manufactured" by the Maesters as part of their "kill all magic" consipiracy.The elder brother is said to be a magical healer, but that might have been just a praise/exaggeration. Lancel, a devout 7 worshipper, claims to have prophetic dreams (could be wrong or could be actually having green dreams). That's all I can think of. But certainly not a maester plot, it was ancient Andal religion long before Citadel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steinnis Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Because R'hllor willed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingInTheCave Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 How did Thoros manage to revive Beric 7 times?I hope you're not asking for a scientific explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Do we actually have any explicit examples of the Seven (or followers thereof) doing anything "magical"? We have examples of the Red God (i.e. Thoros, Melisandre, etc), and of the old gods (green-seeing, heart trees, etc), but I'm not aware of a single example of anything for the Seven in the books. Maybe not even a legend or myth. I've wondered if the Seven were "manufactured" by the Maesters as part of their "kill all magic" consipiracy.In GRRM's world, magic seems to be a pool that is only accessible (or only expresses itself) at certain times. Do events in the world affect access, or is it a natural phenomena that waxes and wanes like the tide or phases of the moon? Did the dragons bring magic back, or did they return because magic returned? Did Thoros access powers previously beyond him because the dragons returned, or was it coincidental?A prophecy sort of makes sense if there is a rhythmic aspect to the world - magic ebbing and flowing like a sine wave. Many aspects of magic are returning all at once, all over the world - dragons are simply the most noteworthy and romantic. The Others, the Maesters candles, the Red God.I tend to be skeptical of the Seven because amidst this great awakening of magic in the world, the Seven have been silent.FatherMotherWarriorMaidenSmithCroneStrangerThe seven: - true religion of westeros, thats why they resurrected Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Snow Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Lazarus Pits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yakaman Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 FatherMotherWarriorMaidenSmithCroneStrangerThe seven: - true religion of westeros, thats why they resurrected CatI apologize - I do not understand your point. Are you agreeing with Inquisitor Glokta's theory that Beric was resurrected not by Rhllor but by the Seven (7 times), because Cat was to be their champion? If so - Cat never struck me as overly zealous or religious, only pragmatic. I don't see any manifestation of the Seven in Cat, with the possible exceptions of the Mother and the Crone (as Stoneheart).But certainly not a maester plot, it was ancient Andal religion long before CitadelGood point. It still strikes me as manufactured though, even for the sake of conquest. We know the religion started with the Andals, do we even have any mythos to it's origin? Legends? Old wives tales? Why was it started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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