Feminism, The Next Installment

[Robin Of House Hill]

I'm surprised I'm starting this as I've never been sure, how or where I fit into it.

But, please carry on.

[Pero the first of His name]

How does feminism aproach sex appeal, good looks benefits and similar things?

Is striving to look good a good thing because it lets a woman have more power or is feminism against that?

It is still noticable a lot of parents take their daughters' future careers less seriously than son's and some of them even partially stimulate daughters going for looks or just being a housewife.

But many times girls themselves choose that path.

Look well enough and you could be a model, work on TV, marry a rich guy, marry a standard guy and be a housewife or dozens of other things. Get hired anywhere a good looking girl is seeked to get the store/bar/firm reception more attention. There is also stripping, porn, all kinds of escort and things like that.

The number of males in these jobs is rising but the female market is much greater and growing faster. And their security in almost all those fields has improved.

And girls today know it. More and more lean on those possibilities as the market for those jobs is big and growing.

Women are still dragged down by parents and society perspective, discrimination and lack of rights but in most western cultures it has thankfully become almost non-existant in a lot of places.

I think the reasons we see less women than men in government, science, technology, high managment and other fields are shifting.

Discrimination reasons are going down but the appeal of other choices is rising.

It is still a societal problem though, just a bit different one.

I fear it will become clear for everyone some 5 years from now if things go the current way.

[MinDonner]

Much as I'd love to believe your assertion that the employment prospects of stripping, housewivin' or general eye-candy-being are ever growing, could you perhaps provide some evidence that these are being chosen by "more and more" young women? Are our glory days of running the world now behind us as we discover this heretofore unbeknownst power of the male gaze? <_<

[Sci-2]

Yeah, Pero, that does seem like a pretty ridiculous assertion.

Extraordinary claims require evidence.

[Merentha]

Your assertion is that fewer women are in STEM fields, business, and management because the job prospects for stripping, porn, and housewiving are just too good to pass up? Am I reading that right?

[Robin Of House Hill]

How does feminism aproach sex appeal, good looks benefits and similar things?

How do you approach sex appeal, good looks benefits and similar things?

[Pero the first of His name]

Much as I'd love to believe your assertion that the employment prospects of stripping, housewivin' or general eye-candy-being are ever growing, could you perhaps provide some evidence that these are being chosen by "more and more" young women? Are our glory days of running the world now behind us as we discover this heretofore unbeknownst power of the male gaze? <_<

I do not sneak up on girls in the dark and abduct them to put a mind reading machine on their heads discovering what they want to be.

So may not be able to give what you seek.

I suppose there are polls on the matter but i do not think i would trust them.

But am i wrong in noticing the big rise in those "eye candy fields", the growth in the number of jobs there and no worries about filling them?

I do not know about the future power in it except the likelyhood of the very near future.

I expect the hypersexuality bubble to burst in some strange way.

[MinDonner]

Well. :stunned: That's probably the creepiest way I've heard "I'm just guessing" expressed, possibly ever.

[Sci-2]

I suppose there are polls on the matter but i do not think i would trust them.

But you don't see your guess as just bizarre? You'd see a massive upswing in the porn, modeling, and women becoming housewives. That would have to show up in someone's data.

And if you're not going to trust data, how can you discuss anything with anyone?

I mean, I could say there's a unified conspiracy of males around the world to keep women down, and that 78.45% of all men are part of it...but without evidence there's no reason to read such an extreme claim as anything but fiction.

[Robin Of House Hill]

But am i wrong in noticing the big rise in those "eye candy fields", the growth in the number of jobs there and no worries about filling them?

That would depend on whether there actually is a rise in, "eye candy", jobs. do you have any valid statistics to show that there has been?

[MinDonner]

Apparently the only way to get these statistics is to kidnap women in the dark. You can't trust surveys!

[Robin Of House Hill]

Trolls, either.

[Sleeve of Wizard]

But am i wrong in noticing the big rise in those "eye candy fields", the growth in the number of jobs there and no worries about filling them?

I do not know about the future power in it except the likelyhood of the very near future.

I expect the hypersexuality bubble to burst in some strange way.

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? They're called Replicants dude.

[Merentha]

You'd also have to show that the rise was not due to men being hired preferentially in anything but the eyecandy fields, leaving women with fewer options than men and so making stripping and housewiving preferentially easier/better.

For one thing, I can say that the number of housewives may be increasing as the economy improves, not because of some bizarre hypersexuality bubble. I know in my field, new hires have trouble getting jobs because when the economy crashed, a lot of retired housewife/nurses came out of retirement to supplement the family income, and those experienced nurses were often hired over new grads. They may be returning to that houswife status as markets stabilize, leading to a rise in housewifery. http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-reports/2009/April/07/dr00057902.aspx That ignores the fact that housewifery and stripping are rather different careers. For one, I'd expect the number of strippers to increase as the economy wavers, whereas the number of housewives should decrease.

[Pero the first of His name]

Your assertion is that fewer women are in STEM fields, business, and management because the job prospects for stripping, porn, and housewiving are just too good to pass up? Am I reading that right?

There are actually more and more women in STEM as well. Both numbers grow simply because the number of people grew a lot.

But the interest in being eye candy and its growth stimulated by society is alarming.

Women do not aspire to be strippers and housewives but go there from the initial desire to be models or marry rich guys.

Even a lot who run into difficulty in STEM have those things to lean on.

I am not saying men do not try to get by easy or that they can not be lazy but they go different roads (mostly even lower ones).

This is a problem and to dismiss it boasting on feminism might have a bad effect (depending on what the goal should be for you).

[Sci-2]

Women do not aspire to be strippers and housewives but go there from the initial desire to be models or marry rich guys.

Even a lot who run into difficulty in STEM have those things to lean on.

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Honest question - are you just trolling for laughs now, or do you really believe this can account for lack of women in STEM?

And do you at least recognize this is an extraordinary claim that needs some evidence to be taken seriously?

[Greywolf2375]

There are actually more and more women in STEM as well. Both numbers grow simply because the number of people grew a lot.

But the interest in being eye candy and its growth stimulated by society is alarming.

So it's not really that it is growth, it's just that because the population is larger, a proportionate but larger number of women go into those fields? Is that what you're trying to say?

[Pero the first of His name]

I should note that when i say a lot i do not mean the majority.

I am also very serious.

This claim was not started after looking at numbers but by pure subjective observation which is, i believe, true.

I do not know how to best find data for or against. I will try now. I would ask for help though.

[Pero the first of His name]

So it's not really that it is growth, it's just that because the population is larger, a proportionate but larger number of women go into those fields? Is that what you're trying to say?

Well, yes. But i do think that eye candy fields are growing more and their appeal sadly is stronger for an alarming number.

[Galactus]

I should point out that, from the studies I've seen, men actually earn slightly more due to their looks. (the "beauty premium" is slightly higher for men than for women)