Snowisnobastard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 In Grrm's world, free will and fate seem to co-exist (as we see witth Moqorro in adwd), so I think the relationship between prophesy and fulfilment is more complicated than just 'let it happen'. Prophesies are glimpses of the future, a future which includes people's (often failed) attempts to fulfill prophesies. Agreed, otherwise the many prophesies have just been a waste of time thus far. I doubt George would waste that much of his/our time dreaming up these prophesies if he wasn't going to do anything with them. If you don't like fantasy tropes what the hell are you doing reading a fantasy novel?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingslayer Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 You're hatred for dragons has nothing to do with the fact that you accept some fantasy tropes and not others. George has a way of making all "corny" elements of fantasy believable. And he will do the same with his "savior". The saviors motivations and meanings may not be pure but if they save the realm they will go down in westeros history as a living god, i.e bran the builder etc. There will be a savior one way or another there is no doubt, who it will be is the question, hell maybe the others are the saviors, either way I doubt he would destroy his realm to dissuade against fantasy tropes. My mention of dragons was just superfluous. Don't put great importance on it. Otherwise I agree to your point. The motives may be partially associate with evil but if they end up saving the realm, it's not a typical heroic journey after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovinRC Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 If and when we find out who AA and TPTWP is, i cannot wait for GRRM to shock and awe us all. I read the AGOT years ago and did not realize there were other books until 2010. I was in my glory with the re-read of GOT's and following books. I expect a bittersweet ending, a total blindside on who ends up being up the actual people we think they are or will be. Love reading this forum and can't wait to find out if any of our theories are even close to what will actually be. This site is keeping me satisfied, along with re-reads, until TWOW is finally available to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowisnobastard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 My mention of dragons was just superfluous. Don't put great importance on it.Otherwise I agree to your point. The motives may be partially associate with evil but if they end up saving the realm, it's not a typical heroic journey after all.If millions of lives are saved it will be heroic to all of those who survive, regardless of the means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I detest this Azor Azai, PTWP, chosen-one nonsense. This is being way too Harrypotterish...Have you considered reading something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Have you considered reading something else?People can dislike an element of a story but still like the overall story. Have you considered that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingslayer Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Have you considered reading something else? Nope. But I can say I liked asoiaf before AA and PTWP were mentioned more frequently, mostly before ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Nope. But I can say I liked asoiaf before AA and PTWP were mentioned more frequently, mostly before ADWD. If the mere 'mentioning' of AA and PtwP single handedly made you dislike the series, then yes I would read different books instead. You insinuated 'many' feel the same way as you. In my time at the forum, I've never heard such a strong dislike for this aspect of the books. BTW PtwP is hardly mentioned, and Azor Ahai is mainly mentioned by one character, who's had 1 pov. Infact, in a DwD tptwp isn't even mentioned, that must have been so offputting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I can see it now. A Dream of Spring comes out and it's filled to the fucking brim with magical elements and fantasy aspects, as you might expect from oh, I dunno, a fantasy series. And then a million voices all cried out at once, "BUT MUH REALPOLITIKS!" I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Nope. But I can say I liked asoiaf before AA and PTWP were mentioned more frequently, mostly before ADWD. I just checked. In ADWD AA is mentioned 7 times, TPtwP zero. Unbearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingslayer Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 If the mere 'mentioning' of AA and PtwP single handedly made you dislike the series, then yes I would read different books instead. You insinuated 'many' feel the same way as you. In my time at the forum, I've never heard such a strong dislike for this aspect of the books. BTW PtwP is hardly mentioned, and Azor Ahai is mainly mentioned by one character, who's had 1 pov. Infact, in a DwD tptwp isn't even mentioned, that must have been so offputting. I didn't mean that Azor Azai and Prince thingy were mentioned frequently IN THE BOOKS. I meant people began to talk about this a lot after release of ADWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowisnobastard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I didn't mean that Azor Azai and Prince thingy were mentioned frequently IN THE BOOKS. I meant people began to talk about this a lot after release of ADWD So you're going to let what people talk about ruin a great series for you? Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowisnobastard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 People can dislike an element of a story but still like the overall story. Have you considered that? Yes we have considered that. But not when it has to do with the resolution of the series. I could see of you didn't like mycha or dontos dying, but not the mentioning of AA or any other savior figure. I mean come on of there's not gonna be a savior of some sort what kind of story would that be? Every cynical dumbass thinks westeros will be utterly destroyed to prove all fantasy tropes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I didn't mean that Azor Azai and Prince thingy were mentioned frequently IN THE BOOKS. I meant people began to talk about this a lot after release of ADWDYou are not allowed to have a difference of opinion, especially if everyone thinks it's invalid. I'm on my way to collect your books. If they are on a kindle or tablet, I will have to collect that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowisnobastard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 You are not allowed to have a difference of opinion, especially if everyone thinks it's invalid. I'm on my way to collect your books. If they are on a kindle or tablet, I will have to collect that too. Nobody ever said that, but if you don't want your opinions judged by others in one way or another don't post them on a FORUM. I'm okay with you having your own opinion and I respect that. Regardless I'm always going to say what I think about it if you post it in a forum. If you don't want your theories/opinions picked apart by people or are easily offended by what others think I suggest keeping said opinions to yourself. Otherwise I'm down to talk this out all night long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingslayer Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 So you're going to let what people talk about ruin a great series for you? Sad. Well, with many people mentionng it means that it's gonna be an important aspect in the book. I never said this ruins the entire book though. I just liked previous ones better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Abstract Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Actually what made me enjoy the Game of Thrones most was in the back of my head think that someday they would all get what's coming to them. Be it from dragon's fire or other's cold or something else entirely... watching every single on of those despicable people go down would be an immense pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowisnobastard Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Well, with many people mentionng it means that it's gonna be an important aspect in the book.I never said this ruins the entire book though. I just liked previous ones better.Well I don't know for sure whether or not it will be important and by some odd chance I may be wrong. With all of the speculation and waiting about this prophesy I am led to believe that it will have a huge impact on the world of asoiaf, although I've been wrong before. I don't knock your opinion of the previous books, personally I liked aGoT through aSoS better than the rest as well but I believe it will all make sense and be worthwhile when the whole story is realized and finished. Only then will we truly have a realization of George's true story. I just don't see shooting down the whole AA theory at this point as a valid argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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