Night's_King Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I remember that Cathil said to him that he is too cold or too angry, or something like that. And that's why she choose Dogman over him. I think it fits pretty well to his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 It's in the first book. West is a generally good guy but with anger issues. This. But I would add that he is one of the most honourable and altruist men in the army. West is definitely the guy who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yeah, maybe that happens at the very beginning of book 2? I don't remember. Until his confrontation with Ardee he seems like a pretty generic good guy sorta character. Yeah, he's basically one guy in front of people and another guy behind closed doors. He's a pretty grey character IMO, and take him out of the military and I think he turns nasty pretty quickly. I never really thought of him as 'good', just 'not terrible'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's it, I'm done with Before they are Hanged.Sad ending. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toblakai Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That's it, I'm done with Before they are Hanged. Sad ending. Yep. Brace yourself for Last Argument of Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quite strangely, though the ending is sad as it is, the thing that made me saddest was Prince Raynault's death.I mean, Cathil and Threetrees died honourably. Raynault is just a waste.And Sult is utterly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quite strangely, though the ending is sad as it is, the thing that made me saddest was Prince Raynault's death. I mean, Cathil and Threetrees died honourably. Raynault is just a waste. And Sult is utterly stupid. Keep reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 Actually, Sebastian Stan is Shivers. Severard is more likely to be Johnny Depp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Simon Pegg and Nick Frost are Poulder and Kroy. Don't care which is which. Hell, they could even switch roles during the movie for all I care. You haven't got to be realistic about these things.Besides, the more I read, the more I think that Jean-Pierre Jeunet could do one hell of an adaptation of this. With all the dark humor and the little thought bubbles for the characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clueless Northman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 That's it, I'm done with Before they are Hanged. Sad ending. Yep.Oh sweet summer child, what do you know about sad ending :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Damn, this last battle is so catchy. The chapter "Sacrifices" is one of the best pieces of military fantasy ever written, somewhere next to Jaime's Riverrun chapter in A Feast for Crows. Also, I like how Joe keeps purposefully delaying the chapter where all six POV can have their say. And Bayaz, you ultimate son of a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night's_King Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Damn, this last battle is so catchy. The chapter "Sacrifices" is one of the best pieces of military fantasy ever written, somewhere next to Jaime's Riverrun chapter in A Feast for Crows. Also, I like how Joe keeps purposefully delaying the chapter where all six POV can have their say. And Bayaz, you ultimate son of a bitch. I guess somewhere at this point I thought "How the hell will Abercrombie solve all those plots in that few pages?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Killing things is always a good way of solving a plot. I trust him to do that a lot in the remaining 100 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Most depressing ending since the end of Grand Theft Auto IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toblakai Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 But did you like it? I thought it was a great ending, with a lot of things coming full circle. Even if it wasn't a ray of sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 As a matter of narration, plot and dramacrafting, I LOVED the ending. The only thing I found kinda weird is when Bayaz explains his plan to Glokta. This felt a little bit James Bond villain-ish and I kinda disbelieved at this point. That and some parts of the ending are stretching a bit too long. I had to read for three hours after the battle ended and it's a bit much.But all the plots are resolved perfectly. By that of course I mean with perfect frustration and disgust for the reader. Especially for someone like me who believes in improving enhancement of mankind and in an ideal of peace. Is West dead though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 As a matter of narration, plot and dramacrafting, I LOVED the ending. The only thing I found kinda weird is when Bayaz explains his plan to Glokta. This felt a little bit James Bond villain-ish and I kinda disbelieved at this point. That and some parts of the ending are stretching a bit too long. I had to read for three hours after the battle ended and it's a bit much.But all the plots are resolved perfectly. By that of course I mean with perfect frustration and disgust for the reader. Especially for someone like me who believes in improving enhancement of mankind and in an ideal of peace.But this isn't the villain explaining things to Bond, this is him talking to his new assistant and proxy in Adua. Glokta actually does need to know what is going on, in order to represent Bayaz and his interests. Bayaz needed to explain that while Glokta will be given some latitude, he will never have true independence or freedom. The trilogy is about more than just the battles. Everything keeps right on going, and the ending reflects that. This was merely one (admittedly important) chapter in the ongoing Bayaz-Khalul saga. I expect that to Bayaz, the death of tens of thousands of Adua's soldiers and citizens is a small price to pay for killing Mamun (Khalul's chief lieutenant). Is West dead though?Do you really want to know? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 But this isn't the villain explaining things to Bond, this is him talking to his new assistant and proxy in Adua. Glokta actually does need to know what is going on, in order to represent Bayaz and his interests. Bayaz needed to explain that while Glokta will be given some latitude, he will never have true independence or freedom. Yeah, but it felt a bit "Let's explain things to the readers" with things like "Oh, that was that the whole time !'If not terrible, I have some minor problems with Bayaz actually being behind everything, but I guess I'm just frustrated.The Pike reveal was extremely great however. The trilogy is about more than just the battles. Everything keeps right on going, and the ending reflects that. This was merely one (admittedly important) chapter in the ongoing Bayaz-Khalul saga. I expect that to Bayaz, the death of tens of thousands of Adua's soldiers and citizens is a small price to pay for killing Mamun (Khalul's chief lieutenant). True, but the battle was the climax of the series, so it is sometimes painful to have to stand all that more text before you have your conclusion. I expected after the "six-together" chapter that we would have one conclusion chapter for each POV, but it stretches on and on... Really minor complaints though. Do you really want to know? Probably. And I discovered that the perfect actor for Glokta would actually be Kevin Spacey. EDIT : Thread title changed back to The First Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toblakai Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Is West dead though? Probably not really a spoiler as it addresses the question, but this info is based off of The Heroes. The Heroes implies that he is dead, as he is no longer involved with the military. But I don't think anyone ever says straight out that he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crom Dubh Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I wasn't aware there was any question that West died. I thought they made that pretty clear at the end. Though I suppose I haven't read it in a while. Then again, I never heard the "the Bloody-Nine is a spirit/daemon/magic thingy and not just Logen's disassociative personality disorder manifesting" theory before reading the forums here either. Which reminds me: what do you guys think of that? I gotta say, I think that would cheapen Logen as a character kinda sorta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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