Urraxbane Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Ok, so Lancel V fought Gyles III and eventually killed Ser Wilbert Osgrey with Brightroar, who at the same time killed him with his dagger. Key element here: Brightroar, a sword acquired by House Lannister in the century before the Doom of Valyria.We don't know whether he was Gyles' heir, but later on Garth X became king and ruled for 89 years (7yo-96). While he was sick, there was a war of succession because he had no sons, but a Peake married one of his daughters, a Manderly another, and both claimed the throne for them. It escalated into open war, etc, but the rest is irrelevant here.We're told the Manderlys "were driven away from the Reach about a thousand years ago." The story above doesn't add up. The Lannisters didn't have Brightroar ~700BC, so either Manderlys or Brightroar could not have been there. Lancel V wasn't the first to use Brightroar either. We know Lancel IV used it before Lancel V, and the book suggests there were several kings between him and Lancel V. That means Garth X's reign would've ended after Brightroar was lost, let alone the events and reigns that followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingkingq Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Isn't there a simple solution here, that just as the Stark King's sword was known as Ice and was later replaced by a Valyrian Blade, that the Lannisters did the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urraxbane Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Isn't there a simple solution here, that just as the Stark King's sword was known as Ice and was later replaced by a Valyrian Blade, that the Lannisters did the same? Quote from the book: "Lancel IV is said to have beheaded the ironborn king Harrald Halfdrowned and his heir with a single stroke of the Valyrian steel greatsword Brightroar[...]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History of Westeros Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Same type of error exists for Lady Forlorn... you should add this to the inconsistencies thread. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119534-twoiaf-spoilers-inconsistency-or-intentional/page-34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingkingq Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Quote from the book: "Lancel IV is said to have beheaded the ironborn king Harrald Halfdrowned and his heir with a single stroke of the Valyrian steel greatsword Brightroar[...]" Right, and I think you can solve the problem the same way they did with Lady Forlorn - that there were two swords with the same name and the chroniclers got confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Drake Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 exactly. that could be the explanation. though i dont really read that much into this inconsistencies , i dont think they have much meaning, and besides the house sigils and mottos predate valyria or at least the height of its power. i just assume that houses name the greates sword they have some "bad ass" name (i agree with sandor on this one) and just carry the tradition, naming the best sword in their collection the same after the previous gets obsolete or broken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Nvm. Misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Same type of error exists for Lady Forlorn... you should add this to the inconsistencies thread. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119534-twoiaf-spoilers-inconsistency-or-intentional/page-34 Right, and I think you can solve the problem the same way they did with Lady Forlorn - that there were two swords with the same name and the chroniclers got confused. Lady Forlorn has always been the sword of the Corbrays. And aren't the Corbrays of Andal origin? Seems to me that there is no inconsistency there. The Andals came to Westeros in part because of the Valyrian expansion, so some of the Andal lords could have brought Valyrian swords with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Lady Forlorn has always been the sword of the Corbrays. And aren't the Corbrays of Andal origin? Seems to me that there is no inconsistency there. The Andals came to Westeros in part because of the Valyrian expansion, so some of the Andal lords could have brought Valyrian swords with them. Ran said that the Lady Forlorn that was used to kill Torgold Tollet should not have been described as Valyrian Steel. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119082-new-twoiaf-excerpt-from-the-app-spoiler/page-2#entry6360748 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Ran said that the Lady Forlorn that was used to kill Torgold Tollet should not have been described as Valyrian Steel. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/119082-new-twoiaf-excerpt-from-the-app-spoiler/page-2#entry6360748 Oh, well that's disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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