Poppa Chase Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 There is a short list of people who Ned trusted in KL. And 100 percent of them were from the North. So my question is who would he trust enough to advance this man as his daughters private trainer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Syrio's Agent, the man who has ties to Braavos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Tobho Mott ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Did he vist tobho before or after Syrio started I can't remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Good question. I've wondered about this, too. What was Syrio doing in KL in the first place? How did Ned come to interact with him? Was Syrio the first sword of Braavos at the time he taught Arya, or before that? If he was FSoB before he came to KL, maybe he knew Dany and Viserys before they got kicked out from the Sealord's palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abisal Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The North has active trade with Braavos because they export wood there. It wouldn't be outlandish that some of Ned's men had met Syrio in White Harbor at some earlier point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Good question. I've wondered about this, too. What was Syrio doing in KL in the first place? How did Ned come to interact with him? Was Syrio the first sword of Braavos at the time he taught Arya, or before that? If he was FSoB before he came to KL, maybe he knew Dany and Viserys before they got kicked out from the Sealord's palace. Before, I think. It always sounds as if he's talking about the past when he mentions his time as First Sword - not distant past, necessarily, but a period that is over, nonetheless. Maybe he was First Sword to a Sealord who died, and it's customary for the next one to appoint his own First Sword. As for who told Ned... we don't know. Presumably he asked around, and someone who knew Syrio (or knew about him) told him - I don't think there's anything sinister, hidden or complex about that. It could have been anyone, and it doesn't need to be a named character really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I think Tobho is a pretty likely candidate. For one thing, there seem to be signs that he has a connection to Braavos / the HoB&W.. Then, it's plain that this was something Ned was doing on the QT (and since everyone thought that he really had hired a dancing master) I don't think that he would have asked any one like Varys or LF about it.. likewise ,he wouldn't have asked anyone from the city guard to check it out for him. He didn't visit Tobho himself until after Syrio had been hired (after Sansa's comment that Joffrey was nothing like Robert inspired Ned's search for Robert's bastards)... but if he sent one of his household (e.g. Jory ) to make initial inquiries, the premier armourer in King's Landing (and a man of discretion) would have been a very logical place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I see three believable possibilities for how ned found him1. He just ask around2. Varys placed him there ( who knows why but, he's the only person at court that has the ability to plant someone without anyone else noticing, imo)3. Tobho Mott suggest it as part of some crazy Braavosi plot....and it's probably the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Great Question!I agree with abisal that it has something to do with trade. Jon Snow and Micken were able to craft a seemingly ideal Bravo blade for Arya.I also wonder if Ned visited Braavos at some point. He might have accompanied Lord Rickard on some trade mission, or as I think more likely, he went with Robert on a trip from the Vale to Braavos while Jon Arryn was off on other business. I can see the scene:Robert: Come on Ned, we're going to Braavos.Ned: Why?Robert: I want to check out the Courtesans!Ned: So?Robert: Come with me it will be fun!Eventually, Robert wears Ned down and they're off to Braavos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I see three believable possibilities for how ned found him1. He just ask around2. Varys placed him there ( who knows why but, he's the only person at court that has the ability to plant someone without anyone else noticing, imo)3. Tobho Mott suggest it as part of some crazy Braavosi plot....and it's probably the first 3. Not a crazy plot, just wanting to be informed about what the new Hand was doing. Robert would be delegating many duties to Ned. Robert had not been a very good ruler , himself. The Iron Bank (and Braavos) would have been naturally curious to see if Ned would make a positive difference... but Ned was difficult to get close to for observation, since he used his own household for pretty much everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 3. Not a crazy plot, just wanting to be informed about what the new Hand was doing. Robert would be delegating many duties to Ned. Robert had not been a very good ruler , himself. The Iron Bank (and Braavos) would have been naturally curious to see if Ned would make a positive difference... but Ned was difficult to get close to for observation, since he used his own household for pretty much everything.I should of put complicated instead of crazy. Your senerio isn't that complicated but I could see that being the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 My grand unifying theory holds that FM, IB, all Braavosi ships and LF represent one of 2 great factions vying for control of Westeros. Whatever this gang is up to they have a big enough interest in the young Starks that John, Sansa and Arya are all under it's control at the close of Dance. So if Ned needs a fencing instructor for his daughter, putting Syrio in his path wouldn't be hard. I like Ned, but he's a chump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 My grand unifying theory holds that FM, IB, all Braavosi ships and LF represent one of 2 great factions vying for control of Westeros. Whatever this gang is up to they have a big enough interest in the young Starks that John, Sansa and Arya are all under it's control at the close of Dance. So if Ned needs a fencing instructor for his daughter, putting Syrio in his path wouldn't be hard. I like Ned, but he's a chump.This was the crazy/complicated one I was talking about lol but possible I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I agree with abisal that it has something to do with trade. Jon Snow and Micken were able to craft a seemingly ideal Bravo blade for Arya.Needle is just a small skinny longsword, not a Bravo blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm guessing Aron Santigar. He was master-at-arms, and probably the go-to guy to ask about training. Ned probably said he wanted a personal trainer for a smaller individual, Santigar referred him to Syrio knowing the Braavosi have a unique fighting style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Whoops, triple post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Ned probably figured that a typical Westerosi master at arms wouldn't be quite right for Arya because shed small and skinny, as is Needle, so he looked for something different. I imagine he asked around and thought the former first sword of Braavos was as good as any. I can also imagine Syrio impressing Ned when they first met and Ned being able to recognise his honour and courage, which are essential traits for Stark men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neds Secret Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Both Syrio and Jaquen Hagars presence in KL and their interest in Arya and their influence over her to me is suspicious. To me they could be indicative of another unknown vested interest in the Starks that is yet yo be revealed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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