Rhaego - Really Dead?

[WightWalker]

Ok so this has bothered me for years and I'm just gonna go ahead and bring it up.

Do you think Rhaego is really dead? It has always nagged at me that we never actually see Rhaego's dead body. As far as we know, the only one who actually saw Rhaego was Mirri Maz Dur. I'm pretty sure that Jorah and Dany's serving girls never saw the corpse and just believed MMD with her story about wings and scales and grave worms. But we know MMD is a dirty liar and as far as we know there is no proof that he died.

One of the things you could argue with this is that "only death can pay for life" and theoretically the deaths of Drogo, MMD, and Rhaego paid for the three dragons. Dany always assumes that Rhaego's life was the price she paid but MMD never actually says that outright. Is it possible that the third death was Viserys? Yeah, he wasn't burned on the pyre but neither was Rhaego. Does the time/distance between Visery's death and the pyre too significant for that to be possible?

In addition, we know that Daenerys has had multiple visions of Rhaego as an adult. Granted, these could be visions of "might have been" but given the fact that Dany has visions that tend to come true I suspect that there must be more to these visions of Rhaego.

Is there anything to this? And if so, could Rhaego be a contender for the "third head of the dragon?"

[joluoto2]

As dead as Ned.

[Queen of dragonstone]

I made a post before explaining how rhaego lives on in drogon.

Because when daenerys entered the tent where the dead would dance she entered with rhaego. And after that incident the eggs became warm, hinting they now had life.

So the souls of the dead transferred into the eggs. That's why in the house of undying images of Rhaego, Viserys and Rhaegar appeared with the undying saying "mother of dragons, daughter of death". Because their deaths gave life to the dragons

[RoamingRonin]

It's heavily implied Jorah saw Rhaego's dead body. Besides, even if he were alive, he'd be just a toddler. Rickon is awesome and all but I suspect GRRM sent him off with Osha for a reason (aint nobody got time to write about toddlers).

[Lord Lannister]

I can't see Jorah lying to Dany about that.

[John Suburbs]

I think Rhaego's spirit is the one inhabiting Viserion. He is always clutching and climbing on Dany, like a child looking for its mother.

Drogon is, of course, Drogo, so that makes Rhaegal MMD, which might explain its relative aloofness and might signal some upcoming betrayal of Dany in the future.

[Queen of dragonstone]

I think Rhaego's spirit is the one inhabiting Viserion. He is always clutching and climbing on Dany, like a child looking for its mother.

Drogon is, of course, Drogo, so that makes Rhaegal MMD, which might explain its relative aloofness and might signal some upcoming betrayal of Dany in the future.

But drogon is the one she has the best connection to.

When daenerys held viserion's egg against her pregnant stomach she said she could feel him kicking thinking he was reaching out blood to blood, brother to brother.

Plus if drogon is carrying Rhaego's spirit then it means he's the STMTW, because I can't see the DK making that big of a mistake.

So he's the stallion and daenerys the khal of khals.

I'd like to think so anyway, plus daenerys dreams hint at this.

[WightWalker]

I certainly didn't think of Rhaego "living on" through the dragons... interesting... Or maybe just :bs:

And I'm not so sure Jorah saw the body, but he certainly saw something in the tent that night. At the very least there is no explicit reference to him seeing Rhaego. Can anyone supply me a quote that suggests Jorah saw a body? I don't recall seeing one and I'm too lazy to look.

The reason this bothers me is that George almost always gives us an explicit mention of a dead body. It's a recurring theme. Shae, Tywin, Robb, Ned, Joffrey, Robert, Aerys... in every case the body is mentioned explicitly by more than one person, although not always a POV. Meanwhile, no one ever saw a dead body in the case of Bloodraven, Brandon Stark or the Hound and look where that got us.

p.s. This is also why I'm optimistic that Jojen paste is untrue... there's no body!

[Morienthar]

The thing is even if he's alive, he was abandoned as a baby somewhere who picked him up, who raised him? etc. all come into question even if we for a second assume he survived being born, it's quite likely he died after being abandoned.

[Queen of dragonstone]

I certainly didn't think of Rhaego "living on" through the dragons... interesting... Or maybe just :bs:

It's actually possible.

Maybe you should look up on these things before calling it and peoples opinions BS

[WightWalker]

Don't worry. I think my ideas are probably BS too anyway :lol:

[John Suburbs]

But drogon is the one she has the best connection to.

When daenerys held viserion's egg against her pregnant stomach she said she could feel him kicking thinking he was reaching out blood to blood, brother to brother.

Plus if drogon is carrying Rhaego's spirit then it means he's the STMTW, because I can't see the DK making that big of a mistake.

So he's the stallion and daenerys the khal of khals.

I'd like to think so anyway, plus daenerys dreams hint at this.

If you buy into this one-to-one transfer of spirits into dragons, I don't see how you can see Drogon as anyone other than Drogo: the biggest, fiercest and most wilful of the three. Sure, Dany is drawn to him because Drogo was her son and stars, but Viserion is the most clingy with Dany, like a little child wanting to be held by its mother.

And assuming that the DK prophecy still holds true after Rhaegar's death, which is doubtful considering they missed the fact that the StMtW is in fact a dragon, who is to say that Drogon doesn't get himself killed, and Rhaegal too for that matter, and Viserion becomes the sole survivor?

It would seem to me that Dany taking Viserion as her mount is the smartest decision because he would place her safety above all other considerations. Drogon is more likely to fly right into the heat of battle to lay waste to everything he sees while Rhaegal, IMHO, is simply untrustworthy.

[Pukisbaisals]

I think Rhaego is alive.

And he is in this vision of Daenerys: „A white lion ran through grass taller than a man.”

White lion is not about Lannisters, it is about Rhaego.

Grass are taller than a man, because Rhaego is still a toddler.

And he has silver golden hair, that’s why dothraki named him after Hrakkar, white lion.

(By the way, there was custom in some cultures (our world) to name child after animal his father faces during hunt. And Khal Drogo hunted Hrakkar when Daenerys was pregnant with Rhaego.)

Prophesy about Khal Drogo return to Daenerys is also fulfilled if Rhaego is alive -Drogo returns to her as Rhaego – Hrakkar. (This and more is discussed in http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/97830-could-rhaego-be-alive/)

So my guess is, in tWoW Daenerys is going to meet silver haired copper skinned fireproof baby :cool4:.

[Beacon]

The one on one soul transfer thing is cool.

It seems kinda like a warg thing. When a warg's body dies when they're in an animal's body, some of their memories bleed into the animals, or so its said...