How Do You Think Elia Thought About Lyanna?

[SkaggCannibal]

I don't know lets look at some other ladies with unfaithful husband: Cersei (murdered Roberts bastards) and Cat (hated Neds bastard). I believe they both didn't take it well. What did Elia think of it? Considering she was human, I'm guessing she wasn't happy. Still gotta blame Rhaegar though.

[Ygrain]

Because that's human nature. When their partner cheats, men and women always blame the person their partner cheated with.

Definitely not true for everyone.

[Winter's Knight]

Jon was not supposed to be male, if I remember correctly? So Elia (if she's bought into the prophecy) would have no reason to fear Lyanna's child.

[Pikachu101]

Definitely not true for everyone.

Maybe but Elia's a proud noblewoman, I don't think she'd be ok with her husband humiliating her.

And asoiaf as shown a general trend of how women react when their children's inheritance is threatened.

Jon was not supposed to be male, if I remember correctly? So Elia (if she's bought into the prophecy) would have no reason to fear Lyanna's child.

Lyanna would have come waltzing in with a boy and Elia has every reason to be fearful

[Kuther2000]

Elia is not barren. I hate when people say that. Barren is incapable of producing offspring which she wasn't. She had already given Rhaegar two children. She could have another baby, but it would probably be at the cost of her life and maybe that of the child's. What man wouldn't give to know that if they have this next baby their wife could die? I am sure Tywin Lannister, Hoster Tully, or maybe Rickard Stark would have liked to have known that.

We have no clue what Elia truly thought. I doubt that we will find out. She probably wasn't sitting next to any weirwood trees to give us insight. I seriously think that this may be one of those things that is left up in the air when the book is over.

To the OP: She didn't know the girl and Lyanna didn't know her. I mean do people really think that they just spent time talking together I doubt it. We don't even know where Lyanna was taken and who told what. I mean Ned and Robert were in the Vale. Rickard was in the North and Brandon was on his way to the Riverlands. Where the hell was the only daughter of Rickard Stark? Shouldn't she be in the North or at least riding with Brandon on the way to his wedding? With an escort. There is alot of questions left unanswered.

I don't know how much Starks are known for their honor. Ned seemed to be known for it, but he was also raised by Jon "As high as Honor" Arryn. So Elia probably isn't looking at the situation and going, Lyanna Stark is an honorable woman who will never try to harm my children. She is probably thinking about the promises that Rhaegar has made about no harm coming to the children and whether she is believing that is anyone's guess. She is looking at the outside and what does she see. A strong most likely fertile young girl who has caught her husband's eye and he would destroy the realm to have her.

[moon on the willow]

Elia to Lyanna :

"Stupid, stupid girl, who doesn't know my husband can't do anything well unless it's to play his harp and play melancholy... But she looks having a spirit. Maybe I can persuade Rheagar to give her a child, and then we girls get together to get rid of my helpless husband, and together we become the TWO QUEENS through our ‘three heads of Dragon’！“

[Queen‍‍‍‍‍‍ Alysanne‍‍™]

Elia to Lyanna :

"Stupid, stupid girl, who doesn't know my husband can't do anything well unless it's to play his harp and play melancholy... But she looks having a spirit. Maybe I can persuade Rheagar to give her a child, and then we girls get together to get rid of my helpless husband, and together we become the TWO QUEENS through our ‘three heads of Dragon’！“

LOL then they will sing "Who runs this world? GIRLS"

[Groat]

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other. Ellia probably had multiple and conflicting emotions on the matter as most humans do. My own personal intuition (which is all any of us has to go on), is Ellia seemed to "put her faith" into Rhaegar. This is based entirely off the vision Dany has of them, so it doesn't really have much support. I don't know why Ellia couldn't both be supportive of Rhaegar fulfilling the prophecy, while also having feelings of jealousy and concerns for her own, trueborn children.

[Ittiz]

I think it's totally depends on how she felt about the "the dragon needs 3 heads" thing. It could be he kept pushing her for another child and she told him to go some place else. Hopefully we'll find out some time.

[Kuther2000]

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other. Ellia probably had multiple and conflicting emotions on the matter as most humans do. My own personal intuition (which is all any of us has to go on), is Ellia seemed to "put her faith" into Rhaegar. This is based entirely off the vision Dany has of them, so it doesn't really have much support. I don't know why Ellia couldn't both be supportive of Rhaegar fulfilling the prophecy, while also having feelings of jealousy and concerns for her own, trueborn children.

I don't think that she couldn't be supportive. But it is also the case of how many people truly believe in these prophecies and was Elia one of them. Rhaegar himself has gotten the prophecy wrong before when he thought of himself as the PTWP. What is to say that he is not wrong this time and instead of fighting this great coming apocalypse war. The fight will be between the different dragon factions and will destroy them the realm and her children possibly being killed in the ensuring war.

Truthfully, it doesn't matter if Elia agreed to it or not. Rhaegar is the crown prince he seemed set on it and could do anything he liked and she would just have to accept it. For all we know after Rhaegar came back, he wouldn't have any more dealings with Elia. I am pretty sure she can still have sex. They have the moon tea to prevent pregnancy. She would just be his wife in name only not caring about her opinion only making sure the children are growing up. Elia may have been perfectly fine with it.

The vision could also be a not this again thing. Elia in her mind is thinking "Why won't he stop talking about it? I don't care let me enjoy my baby and knowing that I got through this pregnancy." I just don't know if he really told her that there needs to be one more. It could have just been him talking to Dany about what it is supposed to mean as an aside and Elia in the far background not hearing anything. I mean it would be kind of harsh to tell your wife that there needs to be one more right after she has just gone through a horrific labor and probably hasn't gained back most of her strength. Talk about tactless.

[Kanali]

There's absolutely no way of knowing at this point, since we don't know anything about Elia. The Dornish have a different attitude towards these things however, wtih paramours being common, so it's entirely possible that Elia didn't really care.

[Pikachu101]

There's absolutely no way of knowing at this point, since we don't know anything about Elia. The Dornish have a different attitude towards these things however, wtih paramours being common, so it's entirely possible that Elia didn't really care.

But Lyanna wouldn't be Rhaegar's paramour; she'd be his second wife. I think Elia would care if her title was under threat.

Noble women in asoiaf have been shown not to take threats to their children lightly. I don't see why Elia would be any different

[sightofthesun]

Like a few people have said, we have no idea what their relationship was like, so we can't really draw any conclusions on this.

However, if I was in her position, I would be furious, devastated and most of all, humiliated. But she was Dornish, so she may have been more understanding than I would be :laugh:

[WhiteOwl18]

Maybe she would be furious and see Lyanna as a threat.

Maybe she would be sad and heart broken but decide to resign herself to the situation.

Maybe she didn't love Rhaegar either and actually gave him her permission to marry Lyanna. Maybe they would actually become friends.

At this point, there's no way of knowing. One possibility is as good as the next.

[Kuther2000]

Like a few people have said, we have no idea what their relationship was like, so we can't really draw any conclusions on this.

However, if I was in her position, I would be furious, devastated and most of all, humiliated. But she was Dornish, so she may have been more understanding than I would be :laugh:

I also think back to how Oberyn and Arianne would be especially Arianne. I don't think that she would take it as nicely as some people think because she is Dornish. They are known to be hot-blooded and hot-tempered people. Maybe Elia was doing what Dorne would do abet better. Nursing her wounds until it came time to strike and take out Lyanna and Rhaegar and secure her children's future.

[sightofthesun]

I also think back to how Oberyn and Arianne would be especially Arianne. I don't think that she would take it as nicely as some people think because she is Dornish. They are known to be hot-blooded and hot-tempered people. Maybe Elia was doing what Dorne would do abet better. Nursing her wounds until it came time to strike and take out Lyanna and Rhaegar and secure her children's future.

Hmmm, it's possible. A lot of people seem to view Elia as being very gentle due to her health which she may have been but I could see her being more like Arianne. And mothers will go to extreme lengths to protect their children.

[Winter's Knight]

Hmmm, it's possible. A lot of people seem to view Elia as being very gentle due to her health which she may have been but I could see her being more like Arianne. And mothers will go to extreme lengths to protect their children.

Elia wasn't gentle, at least according to Oberyn. She was frail but that's a physical characteristic, not a mental or emotional one.

[Arthur Dayne's Honor]

I'm guessing Elia was like this

[Kuther2000]

Hmmm, it's possible. A lot of people seem to view Elia as being very gentle due to her health which she may have been but I could see her being more like Arianne. And mothers will go to extreme lengths to protect their children.

I have no doubt that she was a gentle, maternal, caring and loyal person. But I also think that there is alot more to her than just that. Sometimes having frail health makes one over compensate in certain areas that they probably wouldn't if there health was okay. In the Vorkosgian series, Miles Vorkosigan is physically disabled. Due to an accident, he is a little person. His bones are very fragile. Any wrong move and they break, but he was also a very energetic person. To compensate for his disability, he developed charm and manipulation skills at an early age.

She was also probably very smart. Oberyn seems smart. Doran seems smart sometimes.

[sightofthesun]

Elia wasn't gentle, at least according to Oberyn. She was frail but that's a physical characteristic, not a mental or emotional one.

Yeah, I think there's more to her than meets the eye (although we don't know much about her anyway). She was known to be witty and I can imagine her being very wise.

I have no doubt that she was a gentle, maternal, caring and loyal person. But I also think that there is alot more to her than just that. Sometimes having frail health makes one over compensate in certain areas that they probably wouldn't if there health was okay. In the Vorkosgian series, Miles Vorkosigan is physically disabled. Due to an accident, he is a little person. His bones are very fragile. Any wrong move and they break, but he was also a very energetic person. To compensate for his disability, he developed charm and manipulation skills at an early age.

She was also probably very smart. Oberyn seems smart. Doran seems smart sometimes.

I can definitely see her being charismatic.