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  1. :dunno: This show always surprises (by how disappointing it can be).
  2. Just checking in since I haven't watched the last few episodes: Did Sansa just serve as a punching bag to serve Theon's development or was I wrong and she actually had an arc of her own?
  3. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Okay, there seems to be a lot of miscommunication between us. First off, you seem to be stuck on rescue of Jeyne. When I say Jeyne's main purpose is to motivate Theon, I'm *not* saying her purpose is to motivate Theon to *aid in her rescue* (which is what I think you're implying). Theon's arc in this part of ASOIAF is largely about his own identity (going from Reek back to Theon). The events you cite are actually an example of that: Jeyne's presence serves as a catalyst for the spear wives to influence Theon to escape. Beyond that, I don't know how to clear this up other than a labor-intensive reread. We will have to just disagree. To the second point, I was not trying to involve myself in your conversation about 'rape apology'. I'm only trying to point out that fictional rape being different from real-world rape is highly applicable to *our* conversation. In fiction some characters are more important than others. Minor characters serve different narrative purposes than main ones.
  4. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Seriously? I'm not talking about Marcotte. I'm talking about *you*. A few years ago you were constantly trolling Sansa threads talking about how if Sansa were just more proactive she would be able to get out of her situation (thus implicitly blaming her for her abuse). I remember because it was so ridiculous. (Here's one example. There were many) THEN -------> Woman of War (paraphrased): My mom and I were able to get out of a tough situation by being proactive. Sansa could do the same thing. I could never like a character that just endures abuse. NOW--------> Woman of War's linked article: "More to the point, this line of argumentation assumes that responsibility for rape belongs to the victim, for not fighting back hard enough." (and it goes on). The only person I can recall making the argument Marcotte is 'debunking' is YOU. On one hand, yay for personal growth. On the other hand, WTF.
  5. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    I kind of love this.
  6. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Part of what makes the 'Women in Refrigerators' trope so horrible is that it so often exchanges *important* (or at least the most important around) female characters for male-character motivation. What happens to primary characters *should* be given different weight than what happens to tertiary characters. In the end, the narrative is about them. ASOIAF is far more Sansa's story (and Theon's) than Jeyne's. Edit: A good introduction to the trope was suggested by Elaena Targaryen earlier in the thread:
  7. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Especially when the strawman is 'critics are calling the victims of sexualized violence weak'... and the forum user linking to said strawman actually seriously used that argument against Sansa when she was in King's Landing.
  8. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    I haven't seen his explanation, but now I'm going to have to look it up.
  9. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Lol. You can never be sure with some of the posters around here.
  10. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    I know I haven't been around for a while, but this is some kind of brilliant satire account, right? This whole post is like some baby-boomer's drug-fueled hallucination.
  11. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    This is actually some powerful stuff. Thank you. I hadn't considered it from that perspective.
  12. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Yup. That article doesn't really address (much less 'debunk') my issues. My opinion is that the author is missing the point rather broadly.
  13. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    Sorry about that. I was more interested in ranting than being clear.
  14. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    I was actually using 'fridged' in reference to the 'Women in Refrigerators' trope (where female characters are killed/raped to motivate male characters). Though you have a point too. In ADWD one of Jeyne's main purposes was to motivate Theon. Now that job is given to Sansa. It's basically saying it's okay to trash Sansa's storyline to make Theon's slightly better. ETA: thanks for the link Elaena Targaryen
  15. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    They fridged SANSA for THEON. Jeyne Poole's fridging in the books is diminished by the fact she's a minor character and it's offset by other great storylines for female characters (including Sansa). They fridged SANSA for THEON. I want to set something on fire. Maybe Theon.