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  1. The Firm - Midnight Moonlight The Cult - Fire Woman
  2. Well gee. I saw the first episode before ever having read the book(s). Will I go back to the books?! Dude, they're separate mediums. The show is the show, the books are the books. You talk about the deviations from the books by the show, but then say you don't know if you have the dedication to reread?! Well, sounds like a personal problem. I myself am anxious for the books and even the final season of the show. I will reread as needed, as a matter of fact, rereading now is even more enjoyable than reading them the first time because I know more about the subtelty in the text, as a result of this forum as well as others. I think it boils down to how interested are you?! Do you want a synopsis at the end or do you want a broad and detailed insight as to who, what, when, where and why?! You don't need to read the book for the former, but you will for the latter.
  3. Bingo! I'd like to thank the OP for their labor! It's compelling, but I'm not completely sure that 6+1 or 12+1 is indicative of what will happen, only that when you encounter the equation within the reading that the symbology is present in the passage. Which leads me to RR's post here and the notion about what the symbology means. The Stranger is the odd one, the wildcard, the rebel, etc, in my interpretation thusfar. Through @LML I've gathered how much he values RR's insight to the prose. While I myself am no literary expert, it seems to me that Ravenous Reader is on the right track. Men/Women reaching for/trying to obtain power(s) that are/would be considered to be greater than any of their fellow brethren is certainly a fantasy trope, but done very well by GRRM. So, in these cases of 6+1 where the one is maybe the Leader or the focal point, or perhaps even for 'whom the bell tolls' be it glory or despair, could this be the Stranger's 'Formula'? In the case of the LH we see the greater good win out over selfishness in a sense, at least it's presented that way, but in the case of the NK though we can't be sure yet, the motives seem selfish. The human heart in conflict with itself. The Stranger represents a variable in the equation. You have: Warrior, Father, Smith Maiden, Mother, Crone The Stranger seems to represent a variable in the cycle of life & death. Males grow up being trained in martial prowess, partly out of necessity, partly out of choice to be Warriors, then if they live, they generally become Fathers and learn a Trade. Ladies grow up being trained to do the work on the homefront as Maidens, flower and start bearing children and become Mothers, and later in life serve as the wise in Crones. The Stranger is a departure from the norm. But the story gets so much deeper with the magical nature of the world and with the weirwood element, it seems pretty clear that the Children either imparted knowledge on a human, ir they swindled it, but the end result is abuse of power or perhaps even that having that power is taxing the planet at rate it can't sustain or in a way that unbalances the natural order. Great thread and concepts to have in mind fir the next book.
  4. So when Azor Ahai drew his sword from her breast, it was lit aflame, for a transfer had transpired. But where am I getting the basis for this ridiculous presumption? Well, we actually already witnessed such an elemental transfer happen in the books – but of Ice. After fleeing from the battle at the Fist of the First Men, Sam and his company are ambushed by an Other. Sam kills it, of course, stabbing his cold foe with a dragonglass dagger. After the Other shrinks and melts away, the dagger remains on the ground, “wreathed in steam as if it were alive and sweating.” But then… The dragonglass dagger absorbed the cold. It wasn’t like that when Sam pulled it out to fight – otherwise he wouldn’t have been able to wield it. He plunged the dagger into the Other of Ice and thus absorbed his elemental force. You could say an icy cold weapon was drawn from slaying the Other of Ice and now a fiery hot one will be drawn from slaying the Other of Fire (Nissa Nissa). I'm not saying the dragonglass dagger is special now and that it can freeze people or anything, I'm just comparing what happened when an Other of Ice was slain to when an Other of Fire (Nissa Nissa) was slain. But let’s go back to how these two polar opposite Others suffered. Let us reexamine the words used to describe their death throes: In the moment when Nissa Nissa was stabbed, this is what happened: Now as the Other writhed in pain, this is what Sam witnessed and heard: … A screech so shrill and sharp it could leave a crack across the face of the moon? Obviously both Others were in much pain. Their shrieks of suffering were inhumanly loud, for they were more than human. But in those particular screams of pain lie our hint to who our Other of Fire is. Nissa Nissa the Red One night, while peering through the flames for visions, Melisandre saw a man with a wooden face and a thousand eyes, and a boy with a wolf’s face – Bloodraven and Bran. They are not necessarily relevant, but what Melisandre felt inside and out after seeing them is of much importance: Fire inside. Agony and ecstasy. A lover's touch. Now let’s look back at what the two primary feelings Nissa Nissa felt being stabbed by her lover: Anguish and ecstasy; agony and ecstasy. I dare say this is not a coincidence, for Melisandre has felt these before, with Davos as witness as she birthed a shadow baby. And this leads us to yet another conclusion. Whomever slays Melisandre the Nissa Nissa may also be described as the one who vanquished shadows. From the Maester Yandel in A World of Ice and Fire: Conclusion And there you have it. Melisandre is the Nissa Nissa for the fire that burns inside her, and whomever claims her life may also claim the name of Shadowchaser for he would have rid the world of her evil shadows, chasing them away. The fire that burns inside her will be absorbed by the sword and thus be lit aflame and be named Lightbringer. . . much as the dragonglass dagger that absorbed the Other’s icy coldness. Both these Others of Fire and Ice share the same inhuman shrieks of pain that sounded like terrible cracks . . . so terrible and loud it could be said they could have broken the moon. All that is left is for Azor Ahai the Shadowchaser to fulfill his destiny… EDIT: Someone made a comment on Reddit and got me thinking. So I went back into the books and found more evidence corroborating my theory, here is my reply: When Drogon, fire made flesh, bled in the book, he bled black and smoking: After Melisandre got the daylights scared out of her after seeing Bloodraven and Bran in the visions, she bled black and smoking as well: Now, you might say, that just might mean she’s undead, like Coldhands. After all, he said after a man dies his blood turns black. But he also said the blood thickens and congeals. If Mel was such an undead her blood would not “trickle” because it is congealed. Yet it did. --- This post on my blog No one offered counter evidence?! To the conclusion that Melissandre is Nissa Nissa? It's possible sure... but your conclusion lacks macro reasoning. What I mean is, you tell me that Mel is the Yin to the Others' Yang, but how did it all come to pass?! Like for example, how does it relate to the tales in the past with Eldric and Nissa Nissa, and is there a connection to the Great Empire of the Dawn? How does the first God Emperor relate in all this?! When there were two moons, one likely Fire apected and the remaining one likely cold aspected, what actually caused the long night?! Was it a natural disaster or did it only appear as such?! Did it have to do with Sorcery and Blood Magic?! All of these things are important details to the story because history is repeating itself, so in my view it's not as important to know who the present incarnation of Nissa Nissa is, but what SHE believes or understands about her sacrifice, or not at all. Was it all a usurpation or was it that and more?! The Bloodstone Emperor is the prevailing candidate for part of the cause of the Long Night, by way of sorcery and treachery in usurping his sister's rule. Was Nissa Nissa the BSE's sister, conveniently rephrased to sound as if she is actually a lover and not a relation? All of these things should be considered in arriving at a conclusion. It also depends on what you believe as well. I don't believe that we're headed for a strict repeat of the Lightbringer story. The seasons are out of balance, one COULD say they've been out of balance since the Blood Usurpation, magic is imbalanced. The Song of Ice & Fire may refer to the harmony or rather disharmony that exists bewteen magjcs, or it may simply be that magic itself is the corruption and harmony will only be achieved by cancelling each other out. Anyway, those are the kinds of things that should at least be considered. Mel as Nissa Nissa without context doesn't actually provide much even if you're spot on, sure the similarities in physical wounds and such, but to what end, and whether or not she's actually right or is herself being led by the proverbial nose?
  5. No, I don't agree. You seem to look at this as if Theon was wronged by Ned and that's the premise you begin from, when in actuality Theon was wronged by his own father. Ned didn't make Balon rebel, Ned didn't shape the Iron Born as raiders and pirates stealing and pillaging from other kingdoms within the Crown's domains... Balon fostered that tradition and chose to take his shot and failed, thus dooming his own son's future. The blame lies with him. Are we to presume Balon was unaware of what happens when you lose a rebellion? Is he oblivious to the notion that hostages will be taken as a means to prevent future acts against the crown? I don't believe for one minute Balon wasn't aware, he just didn't give a damn. He didn't think of the consequences or think on them enough to stay his hand for his children's sake. No he had glory in mind... glory for himself first, then maybe some for 'his people'. Theon was treated fairly by Ned and it could even be said better than what could be expected. He was a hostage, beyond being given the basics Theon was owed nothing by Ned and in fact was owed a lot by Balon for putting him in that position. Does Balon lament his part in Theon's upbringing as a ward at Winterfell? Not once to my recollection. Instead he laments that Theon shows some Northern traits, which he despises. Let's flip the equation and ask, would Balon have treated any other mainlander highborn hostage similarly to how Theon was treated? I don't believe that for a minute either. Balon knew the potential risks or should have and he chose as he did anyway. He risked the future's of his children and his people. Robert could have had them all executed and it would've been no big deal. Instead he only took one hostage, the one that would most likely be the next possible Balon in the future in Theon. Lest we forget too that when Theon does go back to the II's, he immediately tries to gain acceptance by parroting the Ironborn way of life, even though he realizes deep down that it's dishonorable. Now I don't necessarily blame Theon, he wanted to relate to his kin, especially so considering his being a hostage wasn't of his own making or doing. However, he too had the same notions as Balon, glory. He doesn't think, what's going to be best for the future generations of IB, he thinks of and for himself first. I'd also posit that Balon naming Asha as his heir was not because he was progressive but quite simply because it was his only way of continuity of Greyjoy rule, his way. He most likely hated Euron and since he was MIA, he's out... Victarion seems able enough so what's the difference between him and Asha? She's his offspring and not his brother. Balon was a selfish ass who led his people into poverty instead of using what they had to strengthen their position within the Kingdom. So no... Ned isn't to blame for Theon, that rests on Balon's shoulders and maybe the practice of taking hostages, whomever started that 'tradition'. Could've been a lot worse, Theon could've lost his head for his father's actions, instead he was just taken as hostage and treated as one if the family... yet when he returns to the II's his father rebuffs him as if it was his fault for being a hostage or that he should've stayed a true-blue Iron Islander like his father... and just look at what that got Balon? Talk about visions if granduer...
  6. It does have some resemblance to Syrio's profile... I'd have no problem if he returned but not counting on it. Does the Waif's clothing resemble the outfit Arya's been wearing a lot? Sure seems like it... Is that also a dagger in her right hand?
  7. Some version of this is likely. Whatever occurs to spark Lancel's line, Tell your man to stand aside or there will be violence, precipitates Cersei's unleashing Gregor. Lancel is likely killed along with many sparrows. Then comes the scene with Cersei entering the throne room... probably Tommen summoning her and telling her that her attack on the faith is an attack on the Crown, the same auspices used to remove Jaime from the KG. Cersei freaks... not sure from there but perhaps Gregor moves to defend Cersei as Tommen's KG come forth to take her into custody and in the chaos he kills Tommen too... oh that'd be so ironic. Kevan will probably be killed for political reasons... he's behind Tommen as his Hand and is separating Tommen from Cersei. Whether Qyburn does it on his own or through Cersei doesn't really matter. Pycelle is probably in this mix too as this would remove everyone except for Mace on the small council, and remember that in previous seasons Cersei has lamented that she'd rather have no small council because they're not in lock-step with her machinations. I don't believe the Faith will kill Loras. Without him they have no leverage on the Tyrells. As well if they kill him before TWoW is released it might be a major plot hole for the show to deal with. Loras isn't expendable just yet. I've heard some theories that Tommen will throw himself out a window, ala Ashara Dayne. I think that's be a cheesy way for him to die but it might work if say Marg was killed. Tommen probably has to live a bit longer because the show is unlikely to introduce Aegon/Young Griff... and it's my guess that Aegon takes the I.T. from the Lannisters before Daenerys arrives. I do expect Cersei to make an attempt at the Wildfyre massacre, but maybe not just yet... too soon.
  8. Quite possible but that would seem forced. Hell as far as I know the Sand Snakes sailed into Blackwater Bay, did Trystane and sailed home... surely the show isn't so absent minded as to leave that ship in the Harbor unmolested for all this time? There has been no appearance by anyone from Dorne on the Small Council, seems they said fuck that and went home!
  9. Right on, but what precipitates Lancel giving that command? Stand aside for what or why? Is she trying to go somewhere she's not allowed? Is she being informed that Gregory can't stand as her Champion? The show hasn't really developed the rules of trials by combat like the books, but in that canon she can only be championed by a KG since she's a royal. Any chance that issue is raised about Gregor? Perhaps the HS tries to wrangle some way to insist on a trial by septons and not a combat? Would seem out of place but something happens that leads to this confrontation.
  10. F.U.C.K. Cersei. No matter how it turns out, it's all of her own making. Sure it's going to be violence and chaos and that'll be some good action/drama, but Cersei deserves anything she gets and probably even then, some more. There's an issue that hasn't been addressed yet: Ser Strong. Recall that it was Cersei/Qyburn that raised Ser Strong to the KG... but he wasn't among the KG that followed Tommen out of the Sept with their seven-pointed star armor. Cersei will go to the trial thinking she's got things well in hand as always but then her plans go awry. Perhaps Tommen will declare Ser Strong unfit to serve as KG, either because he knows or was told by the HS that he's an abomination... remember Pycelle was counseling Tommen. That could and would likely lead to her being cornered and defiant as always and bring about her 'I choose violence' line. I have a sneaking suspicion that there wont be a trial by combat, already been done on the show several times. The only one with any shot is Ser Loras, the rest would be mincemeat. So perhaps that's a possible avenue for a real conflict with Margaery and Tommen. Loras atones by being the Champion for the Faith, but that seems unlikely as there's too little setup and would seem odd. If no trial by combat then there has to be some occurrence that leads to her line about choosing violence. As a result, either the HS is killed or the people grow even more fanatic at the brutality inflicted on the sparrows and this will lead to Kevan taking measures, which will get him killed. I think it's a touch too soon for KL to burn... Dany would get wind of that news before sailing... no, KL has to stay intact until Daenerys is on her way (Drogon isn't flying over a burnt husk of what used to be KL in Bran's vision). I also don't believe Margaery is going to make herself a martyr. She may well die, but no way in hell did she do her scheming to pull the wool over the HS's eyes only to sacrifice herself willingly. That's absurd... Loras is still in the wind and the two of them represent the future of House Tyrell... she's ambitious, remember, she wants to be THE Queen. While there's no need for the show to follow/mirror the books, the Tyrell's future is still up in the air, hell they may even jump ship a third time to a new ally... if they're wiped out before TWoW is released, Dumb & Dumberer might be in a bit of a pickle depending on what transpires. Funny though that some of you cheer for Cersei to wipe out sparrows when she armed them in the first place and allowed them to gain any power whatsoever. They're fanatics to be sure, but their cause is actually quite just... the Lannister rule has been a freaking travesty to anyone but them. Indeed they're barely acting better than the Lannisters with some of their tactics but the smallfolk have been what on plenty... no one cares for the smallfolk? Kind of have to wonder too if Joffrey's murder ever comes to light... maybe that's how Loras atones... by implicating his own family's involvement along with Baelish...
  11. Agree totally. While there have been some decent moments, the season so far has been a lot of very little. Almost every arc altered just enough to probably not be the same as the books so book readers aren't spoiled much if at all. If we're down to roughly 10-11 episodes, a lot of material was wasted... and there seems to be even fewer reasons to have diverged from a lot of these plots that they have. Dorne could not exist at all excepting for killing Myrcella. The Sons of the Harpy are supposed to be filling me with terror at who they'll kill next... but no, they're content for now. It won't even surprise me if the show just leaves Missandei or some unnamed advisor in Meereen while Dany takes her Khalasar west finally... they've got a 7 year deal with the slaver's, why should the show even bother with the knot? Same with the North. Of course they're having difficulty rallying the North to the Stark cause, if they all said yes too quickly there'd be very little drama. All of Lady Olenna's appearances this season, pointless. She came, made a crack about how she can smell the shit 5 miles away from KL and that was about as good as it got. Acting as if Tommen didn't follow the Faith so he can be 'converted' then become the HS's pawn-king... that may happen in the books in some fashion, but it seems clear as a book reader this whole arc was/is filler, what was wrong with the faith withholding their blessing like the books? A show of force by the Tyrells/Lannisters just nullifies any judgment Margaery had coming... all pretty easy changes that alter how the book's chapters will compare... but what are they waiting for? Apparently they know the ending so why the stalling, unless to give time for TWoW to be out by next year's season start... I do like many aspects of the show but some of the choices they make are baffling. If we're down to two seasons, shortened ones at that, they seem to be wasting time and material... but as long as we see a brothel and some tits, we'll forget all that might have been!
  12. Could be that the HS targets The Mountain. If he's not deemed worthy of Tommen's 7 (KG), Cersei would be forced to choose a different Champion. She chooses violence via Gregor rather than have another champion forced on her. Though the show hasn't really developed the rules of trials by combat that specifically...
  13. Yeah, I've seen the interview and believe it's likely that the HS gets his own comeuppance... just curious if it'll be this soon. Such a buildup with no actual teeth from the FM, other than ransacking Petyr's brothel... etc. They need to be a bit more capable or it'll feel awfully long and drawn out for no actual payoff. Maybe the show can just wrapup that storyline with this impending confrontation, but then what purpose does Elder Brother have? Just to reintroduce Sandor? I wouldn't put it past the show but there should be more of the sparrow/broken men arc. We've seen very little of the smallfolk suffrage, except for the HS speaking on their supposed behalf. Is the show going to stay away from a clash of UnGregor with Loras and not have a trial by combat? UnGregor needs to do more than mash some non-warrior's head into a wall. It was a powerful scene/display, but I want to see him fight! Could the show give us a rematch of Gregory/Loras? Yes, and that probably won't happen in the books. While some things have been spoiled, the show has done a good job of altering some major arcs and plotpoints so that the books will remain a bit different. This would/could be another example...
  14. I suspect that when the time comes for the KG to play more of a role, we'll be acquainted with who they currently are. They may not need them much at all in the grand scheme from this point on... we'll see. Just like Yara was doing nothing for a season... just like Gendry still rowing and the BWB still doing their thing in the Riverlands. While it may happen slightly different in the books, the show seems to be painting the scenario as Cersei employing a Tyrell weakness against them. We don't know what the HS told Tommen and in turn don't know what he told Cersei. It's clear the HS is manipulating Tommen to spark more conflict, even violence so that he can spring his trump card. In turn, Cersei is using the idea/threat that Margaery will have to atone in the same manner as she did. Olenna IMMEDIATELY says, "that cannot happen...will not." Cersei has now seen Olenna's weakness, her pride and the pride of her House. So, if the Tyrells use force or the threat of force while the Gold Cloaks and KG stand down... it's going to reflect on the Tyrells. No matter what happens then, Cersei is the short term winner. I expect a misdirect... if there's a clash of Sparrows and Tyrells, the Tyrells should have the advantage... but if the HS dies as a result of this clash, then who would hold Cersei's trial? It's got to drag on a little longer. Sure it could be that the Tyrells win and the Faith Militant aren't exterminated, but it seems as though we've yet to hear Cersei's 'I choose violence' speech, nor have we seen Elder Brother Ian McShane. Anywho... Cersei thinks she's positioned herself to weaken both the Tyrells and the Faith Militant, by what Tommen told her the HS said and by Olenna's reaction to an atonement. I don't expect the HS was ignorant enough to tell Tommen anything that would ultimately be bad for him, it's a setup and Tommen and Cersei both fell for it. Don't expect to see things exactly as they've been framed!
  15. Very interesting thread, lots of good theories and ideas! What happens to Wyllis is tragic... I think it shows Bran how interference in these threads or roots of time can impact the future, the negative is highlighted in this case sadly. Bran learns that when he Wargs Wyllas/Hodor in the present while in a vision of the past it has some transference effect where Bran sees via the vision what his current/future act did to Wyllas and that it impacts Wyllas in the past, even though he warged him with good intentions. It allows him to see the perils on a personal level, which is good if he learns from the experience, but is the sort of thing that will haunt Bran no matter what good deeds he goes on to do... he sacrificed a good man for the cause, his cause, though indirectly or inadvertently, it stings all the same. Fabulous scene and episode in general, a few quibbles aside and even whether or not I've interpretated it correctly!