Señor de la Tormenta Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Not easy solution to this riddle. Rhlorr has given you three names at the begining of AGOT and you got to use them in order to prevent all the shit that came after.Who would you pick? Daenerys? Aegon? Stannis? Ned? The three twincest boys? LF?The fun part is that 3 is just not enough. Always the what if scenario leads to war anyway. But lets see if some one gets it.Kill Joff, Myrcella and Tommen and Stannis and Renly are still fighting each other. Likely, Aegon and Daenerys are still striking later.Take out Stannis, LF and Ned so the twincest is never discovered and yet the two Targ are attacking, Joff is an awful king and Balon is waiting for rebel.See were Im going? But lets give it a try for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 When is the start? The first page from when we get Bran's story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Littlefinger, Cersei, and Varys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jairion Lannister Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 LittlefingerJaimeStannis Jaime does not exist, so does not have Joffrey with Cersei. Stannis is disliked and as much as I can't stand Renly, the man would have perhaps been popular in a time of peace. Balon wouldn't have rebelled in a time of peace. Jon Arryn lives, so the realm can be united in case of a Targaryen threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 When is the start? The first page from when we get Bran's story?yep. AGOT page 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger. Problem solved.Robert doesn't die. Littlefinger doesn't fool Cat into kidnapping Tyrion, and Tywin isn't around to defend his inbred grandkids when their secret is discovered.Robert finds out the truth, marries Arriane or Margaery or someone and gets true heirs. No war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 In all timeframes Cersei goes first. After her, LF. The third, doesn't even matter once we got those two out of the way, especially if we get Cersei early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger. Problem solved.Robert doesn't die. Littlefinger doesn't fool Cat into kidnapping Tyrion, and Tywin isn't around to defend his inbred grandkids when their secret is discovered.Robert finds out the truth, marries Arriane or Margaery or someone and gets true heirs. No war.Daenerys still gets her unsullied and hatches three dragons. Sooner or later she is coming. Faegon still would hire the GC, Balon is still waiting for an oportunity and the Doran-Darry contract still exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 LittlefingerVarysCersei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jairion Lannister Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger. Problem solved.Robert doesn't die. Littlefinger doesn't fool Cat into kidnapping Tyrion, and Tywin isn't around to defend his inbred grandkids when their secret is discovered.Robert finds out the truth, marries Arriane or Margaery or someone and gets true heirs. No war. The problem would still exist if Robert died early on by doing something rash, ie when the bored killed him. Then Stannis and Renly would still end up at war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Illyrio is a must. Without him Daenerys doesnt get the eggs, so then neither the unsullied. Also Faegon doesnt get the gold to hire the GC. Still 2 names are not enough to stop the war of the five kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King.In.Yellow Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Drogo: The Targaryen destiny remains in Viserys' incapable hands and Danaerys' conflicts don't transpire (suffering in Essos minimized). Stannis: Best case scenario, the cat never gets out of the bag regarding the twincest, Joffrey becomes king, and is then tutored by Ned or Tywin into not being a psycho, or Tywin 'removes' him when he realizes he's not king material. Worst case scenario, the twincest gets out and Renly crushes the Lannisters at King's Landing, ending the war swiftly. Catelyn: Let's face it. She started the war by kidnapping Tyrion, escalated it by taking him to her nutcase sister and finally, alienated the Karstarks by freeing Jamie. With her gone, Tyrion wouldn't have been kidnapped, and there would be no Lannister invasion of the Riverlands. Depending on how the story of Joff's parentage occurs, even Eddard might survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 yep. AGOT page 1. In that case: Littlefinger Cersei Tywin Everything would solve itself then. Littlefinger almost solely caused the War of the Five Kings, The Lannisters wouldn't have had a foothold in King's Landing without Cersei, and Tywin wouldn't have retaliated. Jaime might turn out to be a bit of a problem, but that's it really. Sure we'd have Dany and Aegon coming down the road, but I think the realm would still be largely united when Aegon and/or Dany came over to Westeros, with Robert replacing Cersei with Margeary. Plus the North would have been able to deal with the issue of Mance Raydar and the Others, and Jon would still likely become Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Illyrio is a must. Without him Daenerys doesnt get the eggs, so then neither the unsullied. Also Faegon doesnt get the gold to hire the GC.Still 2 names are not enough to stop the war of the five kings. Khaleesi hasn't even gotten herself to Westeros yet. And those dragons may be needed against the others and will save more lives than they take...even the wisest cannot tell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Daenerys still gets her unsullied and hatches three dragons. Sooner or later she is coming. Faegon still would hire the GC, Balon is still waiting for an oportunity and the Doran-Darry contract still exists. They wouldn't stand a chance against a United Seven Kingdoms though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanx5 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Cersei, LF, dont really need a third but Varys could join them (just to much of a schemer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PancakeMountainThatRides Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 How about... Littlefinger, Joffrey, and Illyrio? Littlefinger doesn't kill Jon Arryn, and even if Lysa still did, when Ned shows up, he's not there to lead him down the rabbit hole, not there to frame Tyrion. If Joffrey's out of the way, Tommen is the heir to the throne, Cersei loses her shit and probably screws herself over somehow. Robert probably doesn't die, at least at the moment, because Cersei isn't being backed into a corner. Illyrio is the middleman for both Dany and Aegon, Dany never gets her eggs, Aegon never has a reason to go to her without dragons. Even if he shows up with the GC, the kingdom isn't torn by war. Doran still waits, Balon still waits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 The problem would still exist if Robert died early on by doing something rash, ie when the bored killed him. Then Stannis and Renly would still end up at war. I don't think this is necessarily the case. If Robert still died and lets say Ned kept King's Landing for Stannis to take the throne, I'm not sure if Renly would have risked declaring himself king. With Robb Stark being a thorn in the Lannisters side, and Stannis being mostly cut off and despised by almost everyone in the Seven Kingdoms, the odds were then in his favor of sitting on the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Princess Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Viserys (Dany would never mary Drogo or try to go for the iron throne by herself), Robert (Ned would never go to the south) and Littlefinger (He is the plotmaster after all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Viserys (Dany would never mary Drogo or try to go for the iron throne by herself), Robert (Ned would never go to the south) and Littlefinger (He is the master plot of all). Illyrio would have still married her off, The Baratheon brothers would continue to fight the Lannisters and likely themselves. The only thing that changes is the Ned would have allied with Stannis instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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